Ramping strategically misused and its downsides

[Lohman446]

6.5.4 All paintball markers shall only operate in semi-automatic or pump mode and may not operate in other discharge modes such as burst, enhanced trigger or fullyautomatic
discharge mode.

There it is

[phantomhitman]

can you post a link to this page? I looked up ever single paintball realted article they had, but they wanted $8 each from to download the pdf. I just want to read the standards, and when they were made

[Lohman446]

can you post a link to this page? I looked up ever single paintball realted article they had, but they wanted $8 each from to download the pdf. I just want to read the standards, and when they were made

I cannot distribute the material, it is part of the purchase agreement. Unfortunately they must be purchased to have. There are restrictions on siting them, etc.

[phantomhitman]

you mean you cannot even read safety rules?! isnt that kind of hypocritical? oh well.......i kind of hate astm now. Do me a favor and tell me when those rules were established, not when they were last updated.

[Lohman446]

you mean you cannot even read safety rules?! isnt that kind of hypocritical? oh well.......i kind of hate astm now. Do me a favor and tell me when those rules were established, not when they were last updated.

"This standard is issued under the fixed designation F 2272; the number immediately following the designation indicates the year of original adoption or, in the case of revision, the year of last revision. A number in parentheses indicates the year of last reapproval. A
superscript epsilon (e) indicates an editorial change since the last revision or reapproval."

Now, I know that does not answer your question, TK could tell you when the industry decided to pay the ASTM to set up the safety standards...

[phantomhitman]

thanks for the info, but i still cannot read it. i worked too long today i think, brain hurts, go to bed now

[TheTramp]

It is pretty funny that you have to pay to read something designed to enhance saftey.

[wimag]

Thanks for the info Lohman. I will grab it and check it out.

I was always under the impression that ASTM specs were more so guidelines that industry has collectively agreed upon. For example ASTM B695 for mech plating was a guideline of methods to adhere zinc to steel this referenced ASTM B201 for corrosion testing. Which basically provided a gideline of how long an item should withstand an accelerated salt corrosion test when tested in accordance to ASTM B117 to white and red rust.
No where in the specs did it reference legality issues.
Tht legality could come from the company certifying an item that it could withstand a determined amount of corrosion resistance but actually fails miserably. Something along the affects of recalls of seat belt mounts in vehicles.

Not saying your orignal post in wrong but i fail to see how an individual shooting a ramping marker violates anything to do with ASTM standards. The mask may fail per their industry accpeted level but unless done malicously i dont see how it would bring legal action to the shooter. If anything it would be the manufacturer of said marker or chip

[Lohman446]

The ASTM in itself does not have the authority to enforce. However, ignoring industry accepted safety standards that resulted in severe bodily harm may be criminally negligent. I know you would have a civil liability issue. So no, they do not have the power to enforce, but after an against a DA (not the ASTM) may use violation of ASTM safety standards, especially in the absence of any other scientifically tested standards, as negligent. To what level is up for debate. You may have the legal defense idea in that you, as an individual are not responsible to know or follow ASTM standards in most circumstances, the manufacturer may be more responsible to them but it is not required. Think of the ASTM as a big shield against liability - using it and adhering to there standards is helpful, perhaps not fool proof. Ignoring them, especially as a manufacturer, may be exposing yourself to risk.

[andreb]

If everysingle player is using a ramping gun it wont be that easy to spot him (hear him) on the field or at least you won't be able to single him out.