DevilMag Frame Vs Logic Frame ?

[GoblinGreen]

Just looking at my Mag with the Intelliframe and Omega rail. Unless the Logic frame is the same size as a intelliframe this thing aint gonna just fit on my rail without me moving the VA.
I really didn't want this to turn into a flamer thread cause those devil mags are really the bomb, I haven't seen videos of the Logic frame so I dunno yet!

I see deadlywind made that prototype hAIR trigger and it was stopped by patents by Pro Team Products, Is LOGIC or Devilden related to PTP at all?

I know both Frames are using Predator boards and just the logic has a pneumatic solinoid, apparently the hAIR trigger is fully machanical design, Is Pro Team Products supposed to bringing out a new frame as well based on the hAIR. Or is this a dream thought?

[SCpoloRicker]

Well it sure is a good thing this wasn't a rough thread before.

[11 Bravo]

Just looking at my Mag with the Intelliframe and Omega rail. Unless the Logic frame is the same size as a intelliframe this thing aint gonna just fit on my rail without me moving the VA.
I really didn't want this to turn into a flamer thread cause those devil mags are really the bomb, I haven't seen videos of the Logic frame so I dunno yet!

I see deadlywind made that prototype hAIR trigger and it was stopped by patents by Pro Team Products, Is LOGIC or Devilden related to PTP at all?

I know both Frames are using Predator boards and just the logic has a pneumatic solinoid, apparently the hAIR trigger is fully machanical design, Is Pro Team Products supposed to bringing out a new frame as well based on the hAIR. Or is this a dream thought?

I am not totally sure, but I think when you buy the Logic frame- it comes with the new rail. So you wont have to worry about matching anything up.

[Muzikman]

From what it says the Logic frame is just the frame and the new vert adapter. It states what frame it will work with in the dealer thread. I am sure Coolhand can answer if it will fit on an Omega rail or not.

[11 Bravo]

Ok it doesnt come with a rail. In the spec list Logic says that it will take small modification to fit a classic rail. Omega is a classic rail so just let logic know that you need the mod.

[warbeak2099]

Please back this up, show us a link where that is stated by anyone. They have always said not to use ULTs on emags because they were designed with the standard on/off which requires a lot more force thats why the solenoid is huge and requires a 18volt power source. Because of that added weight in the sear/solenoid it needs the 3 or 5 lbs of return force to reset the sear.

You just backed me up lol. The emag noid needs more return force to reset. The ULT doesn't have it. I said also that it's easy to tune the ULT when I stated it's just a matter of the number of shims you have. The Logic frame just allows you to eliminate the need for tuning the on/off. Still, the ULT will never have the same amount of return force as a stock on/off. It's not a bad thing, it just wasn't designed for that. It was designed to provide a very light trigger pull. And it does... on a mech. At electro speeds, I'd rather have the speed of the stock on/off.

[phantomhitman]

Um, you do understand that ONLY APPLIES TO EMAGS right? They were using such beefy parts that the light return of the on-off would work. Devilmag is no where near the emag in the parts department=no problem or recharge issues. You think that a ult is a bother I would love to see what you think about a lpr that is not working properly.

[CoolHand]

I don't see why there is this big argument over the tuning of either frame. Its a one time thing, for either one.

For the DMag, you just tune the ULT (now, granted, that means taking out the valve and degassing several times).

For the Ripper EM, you just turn the knob on the LPR (which will be set when it comes from me BTW).

It is faster to just turn the knob until it shoots, that's the only difference in tuning time, and you shouldn't have to set either frame up more than once.

Anyone who thinks that "tuning" an LPR is more time consuming and difficult than tuning the ULT is either fooling themselves, or stretching real hard to find a chink in the armor.

And yes, I have done tests on the battery life. A DMag and any Hyperframed mag will get about 5-7 cases of paint on a battery, no more.

My frame has gotten upwards of 35 cases, and in every test at least 30 cases on a battery.

That said, I will pretty much guarantee at least 15 cases on a battery.

And, before anyone asks, yes, I set it up and just let it cycle until the battery dropped below my cutoff voltage (which was 8.75 volts, most people consider a 9V dead when it reaches 6 volts). They would have gone longer, but I figure that absolutely no less than 3 times the battery life of the competition is acceptable, and it took so long to get them down to 8.75 volts, that it could have taken a week to totally kill one.