I wonder if this includes paintball guns...

[Muzikman]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051013/od_nm/britain_airguns_dc;_ylt=AgIAx9aBrDv4zORoaTtSmDLtiBIF;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA--

Sales of air guns are to be restricted to registered dealers under regulations announced by the Home Office Thursday.

Dealers will have to pay 150 pounds and prove to police they are fit to sell the weapons.

The rule changes, part of an amendment to the Violent Crime Reduction Bill, also outlaws selling airguns by mail order or over the Internet as all sales must be face-to-face.

Dealers selling airguns without registration will face up to five years in jail or an unlimited fine or both.

The clampdown comes after the death of a two-year-old Scottish boy who was hit in the head by an airgun pellet in March.

Mark Bonini, 27, was jailed for 13 years in August for firing the shot which killed toddler Andrew Morton as he watched a fire engine near his house in Glasgow.

"The new proposals outlined today would make suppliers accountable to the police and remove the anonymity of purchasers to deter impulsive purchases and irresponsible sales," said Home Office Minister Hazel Blears.

[Lohman446]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051013/...NlYwN5bmNhdA--

Sales of air guns are to be restricted to registered dealers under regulations announced by the Home Office Thursday.

Dealers will have to pay 150 pounds and prove to police they are fit to sell the weapons.

The rule changes, part of an amendment to the Violent Crime Reduction Bill, also outlaws selling airguns by mail order or over the Internet as all sales must be face-to-face.

Dealers selling airguns without registration will face up to five years in jail or an unlimited fine or both.

The clampdown comes after the death of a two-year-old Scottish boy who was hit in the head by an airgun pellet in March.

Mark Bonini, 27, was jailed for 13 years in August for firing the shot which killed toddler Andrew Morton as he watched a fire engine near his house in Glasgow.

"The new proposals outlined today would make suppliers accountable to the police and remove the anonymity of purchasers to deter impulsive purchases and irresponsible sales," said Home Office Minister Hazel Blears.

And people thought I was nuts when I said there might be criminal liability issues with paintball markers.

/Realizes that was an edit: not a paintball gun, but still

[Muzikman]

Well, it doesn't say airsoft, so I assume it was a true pellet gun.

[11 Bravo]

You are nuts

I hope that was more like an air rifle (they have the power of a 22 or more). If its not an air rifle this goes to show that gun control nuts will stop at nothing.

[TheTramp]

You are nuts

I hope that was more like an air rifle (they have the power of a 22 or more). If its not an air rifle this goes to show that gun control nuts will stop at nothing.

Well, if it did kill that little kid.......

[11 Bravo]

Well yeh an air rifle could kill anyone. I cant see an airsoft gun killing anything. And if you are regulating firearms I think you should include air rifles because of their power.

[peewee]

By my understanding it does effect paintball markers. They are conciderd air guns.

[warbeak2099]

It was probably a GAMO type pellet rifle. Those things can have as much as a 1000fps muzzle velocity and with the right type of ammunition could be as deadly if not moreso than a .22 rifle. They're usually .177, but still, pretty far off from paintball and airsoft guns by way of deadlyness. Paintball isn't played at more than 300fps and airsoft isn't played at more than 600fps for the most part. I'll never get over how some of those hardcore airsofters are shooting 500fps+ setups. I don't care how small the ammo is, that's beyond skin-breaking speed.

[Steelrat]

I agree. It probably refers to the high-powered air rifles they use in Europe. Due to the restrictions on firearms in England and other places, they use very powerful pellet rifles to hunt small game. These rifles are light-years beyond normal bb guns.

[MarkM]

We do indeed have powerful air rifles here as well as some high powered pistols.
This ruling may well include Paintball Markers but due to the way our (and many other countries) laws are written no one is 100% sure.
Currently Paintball Markers are unclassified as to what they actually are. The only certain classification that can be applied is that if you own a Paintball Marker that is FA capable then it becomes a Section 5 Firearm which in turn equals 5 years jail time (coincidence about Section 5 and 5 years). This is still to be tested in court but it is there. The simple fact that this new ruling has come about due to an incident in Scotland is possibly extremely worrying for the future on Paintball in the UK. The reason for this is that rulings that were made within the Scottish Courts that finally allowed Paintball to be played in Scotland after years of bans and court cases, so within Scotland Paintball is indeed classified as ?. It is also Scotland that created the current situation of the restriction on real firearms after the Dunblane shooting that ended up with total bans on anything over a .22.
To attempt to stem possible problems Ebay banned the sale of Paintball Markers on the UK site although parts are still allowed to be sold.

[LS1 WS6]

Well, if it did kill that little kid.......

Nice knee-jerk reaction. While it is tragic for a little child to die, people die everyday for lots of reasons. Cars kill far more people per year than any firearms of any sort. I do not see the call for banning all motor vehicles! It is a political issue to take away peoples freedoms wich I do not agree with. Nobody will be able to make the world 100% safe, no matter what. It is not the gun, car, motorcyle or any other object that kills. People kill! A very select few kill on purpose and not by accident. Punish those people harshly and leave the rest of the population alone.

[JoshK]

Lohman...why have we all ignored you so?

[SlartyBartFast]

Nice knee-jerk reaction.

http://www.pyramydair.com/cgi-bin/model.pl?model_id=772
50 calibre!

[Lohman446]

Funny thing is, well I do not agree with the conclusion of your argument, you make some interesting points. I wonder if this same test will every be applied to paintball.

[LS1 WS6]

http://www.pyramydair.com/cgi-bin/model.pl?model_id=772
50 calibre!

Pro gun I am, "nut" I am not. I believe in the Constitution of the United States. You being Canadian, I guess you do not. You come across as very hostile to me. Gun owners do not have to prove a need, it is in the Constitution. There are plenty of laws on the books about guns and all crimes to deal with guns. I think punishment should be strickly enforced and prosecuted. Criminals should not have guns and there are laws stateing such. I feel, if a criminal commits a crime he/she should be punished. Not the law abiding citizen who owns a gun or wants to own one. There are a lot of reasons for owning firearms. Killing small furry creatures is not all there is to it. Protection, sport, food, and collecting are just a few reasons. Being a "redneck" is not one of them. I bet you have no idea where "redneck" came from.

If someone is killed in a car collision, yes the laws are looked into. If there is no criminal violation then a simple infraction is given to the causing driver, nothing more. Just because someone feels they are dangerous does not give the Government or anyone else the right to take them away. Firearm ownership is Constitutionaly protected, car ownership is not.

I could go on, but what is the point. Not to be too rude but your Canadian point of view does not concern me. All of Canada has already given up their right to have firearms. Better watch out, you could be next to have you marker on the ban list. Don't think it cold not happen, because it could.

At least America still has all of the "nuts" protecting our rights.