I wonder if this includes paintball guns...

[hitech]

My prebious question answered:

"Who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers."



So, the right to keep and bear arms was to allow the continuance of a militia of ALL the people.

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Who said anything bad about Canada? The comments were that you are Canadian and that your opinion on American gun laws was irelevant.
Theres a lot we could complain about concerning our neighbors to the north but I would say that we have been polite and kept quiet about it here.

[Steelrat]

It's not an explaination. It's legal precedent. It still mixes the notion of the general populace and "militia".

And regardless of how the framers viewed the amendment and it's meaning or how current courts interpret it, the fact remains that an Amendment can be struck if not re-interpreted.

But, IMO, it's a sad state of affairs when you feel the only reason your government will remain true to the population is when thread of violence and force is ever present.

Who said that was only reason we were remaining true? Thats an awfully big leap of logic to make there. What I'm getting at is that the 2nd amendment does not refer to maintaining a military or police force, as you implied when you said Seems too few understand the true meaning of the Amendment. Even as it stands, it would only take political will to confiscate all arms in the US and limit ownership to active duty law enforcement and military. Not that I'd like to necesarily see that happen, but any American who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves. That is not the meaning behind the 2nd amendment at all.

And a legal precedent IS an explanation. The courts determine the constitutinality of laws. When they do so, they provide an explanation as to whether the laws are constituional, and why. In this case, they defined what the 2nd amendment means, and how it applied to the law in this case.

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I then pointed out why pro-gun groups always seem to fail.

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Seems to me that our right to arms has been protected and in the past few years has strengthend.
You seem to be of the opinion that the majority of Americans are anti gun. I think you would find that the majority of Americans are either pro gun or dont care. The minority is the anti gun groups.

[Steelrat]

Why is it they're always preceeded by the worst example of an American stereotype disparaging MY counrty of origin or simply dismissing my opinions based on where I'm from.

This wasn't about being anti-American until certain Americans made it about being anti-Canadian.

If they can't take it then they shouldn't dish it.

If you're not one of the ones insulting me or my origins, I appologise for the cross fire and ask that you take no offense.

#1 is an American stereotype. It's not really positive or negative. Just reflects The gun mentality. Did you take offense there? What was anti- anything? Paranoia? personally I think that construing a few steps as the sliperry slope to loss of everythin IS paranoia. As is the burning desire for self-protection.

You used the word paranoia, and claim its not negative?

#2 You can't deny that that attitude isn't often experienced by non-Americans.

You don't think thats a bit confrontational anyways? I mean, there are people who want all Americans to die, and call us the Great Satan. Think that kind of language should be tossed around here?

#3 If they call me names, I can call them names. Get over it. No offense to anybody willing to actually discuss opinions.

So you can't address them as a person without labeling them as Americans? So, if I were to call you ignorant, I should instead say "You ignorant Canadians?"

#4 Same as #3. I'm told my opinion is worthless because it's Canadian. Fine. Their opinion is worthless because it's American.

So, two wrongs make a right?

#5 Truth. SOME Americans in this thread are quoting constitution at me. And thy're getting it wrong.

Again, confrontational generalities

You should ask questions of your more vocal and offensive fellow citizens instead of taking immediate offense and jumping to thier defense.

Who said I was jumping to their defense? You have a tendency to make disparaging comments about the US in quite a few of your posts. I chose to speak up. As you so eloquently put it "Get over it."

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#5 Truth. [b]SOME[/] Americans in this thread are quoting constitution at me. And thy're getting it wrong.

Now he is smarter than the Supreme court and the founding fathers. .....please!!.....

[Muzikman]

But what was the militia when the constitution was written?

Well, seeing as there was no, Federal Army, Navy or Air Force...it was "The Army".

[Muzikman]

Seems to me that our right to arms has been protected and in the past few years has strengthend.
You seem to be of the opinion that the majority of Americans are anti gun. I think you would find that the majority of Americans are either pro gun or dont care. The minority is the anti gun groups.

You really need to wake up and smell the flowers. We are >< that close to losing our rights to own guns. Remember, it happened in Australia and it can happen here.

[Lohman446]

You really need to wake up and smell the flowers. We are >< that close to losing our rights to own guns. Remember, it happened in Australia and it can happen here.

I don't think so. As some of you may have known from other discussions, I don't like Bush. That being said, one of the reasons he gained a lot of votes seemed to me to be the fact that he would likely appoint Supreme Court Justices. With that done, I feel very comfortable that we will continue to have the right to bear arms. There may be steps taken that limit it to some degree, but I do not see it going away, or even being close. Far too many people put pro-gun as there voting decision.

/Just waits for someone to call him anti-gun because he doesn't have an extreme view

[LS1 WS6]

I typed out a huge reply earlier then I lost my interner connection and it was all lost.

I want to say to our friend up north, I have nothing aginst anything Canadian.

You need to go back and read what was written. I replied to The Tramp and said "nice knee jerk reaction" on his statement that a child was killed. I have no idea if he is Canadian or not.

You make it sound like an amendment to the constitution is not a big thing. That amendment has been there a long time. It is a political thing like I said earlier. Gun rights have gained stength in the last few years with several key political victories. All people pro gun need to stay vigilant and keep your voice heard. Yes, all of our gun rights could be taken away. All we have to do is look at Canada, Australia, and the British to see that. The right to have arms is not a god given right, it is an American right. A right that Americans of the past fought and died for. I will not foget our forfathers that gave the ultimate sacrafice.

I believe in America and what it stands for. It is not perfect but there is no other place I would rather live. Anyway, hope everyone has a good night.

[JoshK]

Have you ever noticed that Canadians are Americans also? Just to clear that up.

[Steelrat]

Have you ever noticed that Canadians are Americans also? Just to clear that up.

While technically they are North Americans, I have yet to hear any Canadian refer to him/herself as an "American."

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Have you ever noticed that Canadians are Americans also? Just to clear that up.

NOT....

Whenever people all over the world are blaming the Americans for this or that, they sure as heck arent talking about the Canadians.

[JoshK]

NOT....

Whenever people all over the world are blaming the Americans for this or that, they sure as heck arent talking about the Canadians.

LOL...I was just trying to cool things down a little. All they are are our northern brothers.

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LOL...I was just trying to cool things down a little. All they are are our northern brothers.

Cousins..............but sometimes you would think they dont even want to be that.