Anyone making doing custom pneumatic mag frames?

[Automaggot68]

That's a outright lie and you know it.


Let's see a copy of the C&D.

OH SNAP.

It's good to see you posting jay, albeit I'm sorry to see it in this situation.

[tyrion2323]

Just remember that you can legally make anything you want for your own use. When you start making products to sell it can be a different story if the product is patented.

I tried using that argument when the police shut down my meth lab.

dang..

[Alpha]

That's a outright lie and you know it.


Let's see a copy of the C&D.

I'm also sure he's fully aware that 'offering a service' that clearly infringes on a Patented and Licensed product would find him in C&D faster than 20bps. If his bank account is as bobide suggests, I think he's going to have to borrow cab fair just to make it to the court hearing.

I said threatened, and that was undoubtedly an open threat.

http://www.paintballforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=112508&page=1&highlight=pneumag+thread

EDIT: Call it an exaggeration by usign the phrase "PTP threatened to sue" if you want, but you told me if I made pneumatic grip frames for people, I would be found in court (sued)

[RRfireblade]

Definately not a threat. And you were never contacted by PTP or any PTP legal represention.

Thats a lot more than an exageration IMO , sounds more like some one just wanted to sound 'cool' .

But go ahead and quote the rest of our discussions on the subject where I said....

Build , sell ,manufacture , whatever you want. I really could care less if it infringes on someones Patent or not as long as it's not one I hold. I was just pointing out the obvious which is that the parties involved with the 'current' patents under focus right now are avid Forum readers

The real question is would BE/K2 really go after him? If it was done low key and in low volume, especially after the product has already hit the market, very doubtful.Not worth the time and effort.

And I've stated a dozen times or more that it's not my Patent , I have no interest in it , and I can care less who infringes on it.

[SCpoloRicker]

I tried to, but PTP threatened to sue me. No lie.

Adjusts tinfoil.

edit:"cab fare"
double

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Agreed, that show made me stupider

[Alpha]

So which is it?

I understand you're not the legal representation of PTP. You worked for them and seemed to know a lot more about what was going on then the rest of us, so I think thats why Jay and PTP seem to be an interchangable term lately

But if done very public, like posting it in a public paintball forum, prior to the intial release of the product they 'may' just issue a ceist and desist order if anything and he would just end up stuck with his initial investment of parts , time and labor and such.

The way you say PTP is "arguably the largest company in paintball.", and the fact you said they 'may' give me a cease and desist, and that I'd need to "borrow cab fare" to the hearing intimidates me to the point where I read between the lines and say to myself "Hey, this guy's right, I'm going to get sued."

EDIT: That show was called wonderchozen.. Its basicly sesime street on acid.

[RRfireblade]

Since I said K2/BE that would obviously the "large company" .

And the cab fare quote was obviously a joke relating to something your friend said prior to that post and you know it.

Stop playing the semantics game....it's doesn't fare well in the presence of adults.

FYI, PTP is 'arguably' one of the smallest long time companies in paintball with typically 4-ish full time employees , besides the owners, average. NOT the big bad sword weilding fiend many of you think they are.

[ClassicMagger]

Just informing of the post so everyone else is up to date on this....

http://www.paintballforum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1385573&postcount=12

I'm also sure he's fully aware that 'offering a service' that clearly infringes on a Patented and Licensed product would find him in C&D faster than 20bps ;-) . If his bank account is as bobide suggests, I think he's going to have to borrow cab fair just to make it to the court hearing.

Sounds like a threat to me. Talk about semantics.

[latches109]

[TheShark]

I'd sure feel threatened if someone that represents or has represented PTP said that to me.

[RRfireblade]

Fine whatever , take it as a threat from some one who had no authority and to make a threat and who stated that fact a number of times....

That was one line out like a 3 thread discussion.

It was stated many times over that I do NOT represent PTP in that discussion but fine, then say I was the one who "Cautioned" Alpha about starting a for sale thread for an infringing product on what just happens to be a Forum owned and run by one of PTP bigger dealers.Next time I'll just go ahead and stand by while let the little guys take the fall...that would have been much better.

[RRfireblade]

I'll have the whole thing fixed by the morning...don't sweat it.

[GT]

I dont even think you have to get that detailed. We have a current/former PTP rep that is stating the phenumatic frame would not be profitible for the mag market. So the question is how can one pay damages for producing a product that would cause a company a loss durring full production.


Or is the patent profitible for mags hmmm.....

[rkjunior303]

a patent protects an idea. while the product may not be profitable in the MAG market, the idea of it may be applicable to OTHER markets which would in turn be profitable to the said patent holder.

intellectual property, such as ideas that are patented, can be worth just as much if not more (depending on where they can be applied) as physical hardware.

[RRfireblade]

I dont even think you have to get that detailed. We have a current/former PTP rep that is stating the phenumatic frame would not be profitible for the mag market.

Never said that was the reason for the delays of this project. It had been stated by many however , that IS the reason why all previous Mag part manufacturers have stopped making Mag parts...that and the fact that AGD and others here who claim to want more aftermarket Mag activity SLAM THE LIVING CRAP out of every aftermarket mag product and tell the world that all you need is AGD parts.

And yes, Patents are potential far more profitable than a gross of Mag grip frames....suprise.

Still wondering why no one is pissed at AGD for not pursuing this product? Dropping the ball on DW? Have no desire to work with PTP? Not to mention AGD's just going to trash any aftermarket effort by anyone anyway....

Hmm.....