All hope is lost...

[neppo1345]

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/h...1----000-.html
so...in order for it to be considered a silencer...it must be able to be used on what is considered a firearm...making this perfectly legal...

Or at least thats how I understand the law...

[Glickman]

If i recall....to be considered a silencer...it has to reduce the sound caused by the weapon by a certain number of decibels...correct me if im wrong...I'll look into it...

Thats why the united states in general makes it hard to get concealed carry permits...but you know it can happen...

actually from the agent that ive talked to, there is no requirement of decibels, its really just up to the attorney at that time, but generally i believe its ~5 db and up.

as SP states, the shroud should dampen the sound, but its legal if it cannot be modified to work on a real weapon, which ill guess isnt effectively possible

It has already been stated, but for anyone (who hasn't played HALO) who is still scratching their head wondering why it looks familiar, see HK G36C. Yes, it is based on an actual rifle/carbine, manufactured by Heckler & Koch.

actually its a xm-8 but yea, still made by HK, and obviously built around similar design


edit: yep neppo your right

[p8ntball72]

"The ATF has very wide latitude as to what is and is not a silencer.

They can, at their complete descretion (there is no legal definition) look at anything, be it a barrel extension for a paintball gun, a silencer for a paintball gun, a barrel raincover for a paintball gun, a drill press, a piece of PVC pipe, a wad of steel wool, etc., and declare that it is either a firearm supressor, a component for a firearm supressor, or a tool used in the assembly of firearm supressor.

Posession of any item that the ATF Technology Branch has determined is a firearm supressor, firearm supressor component, or firearm suppressor manufacturing tool requires a class III FFL for ownership of the final product, that the manufacturer has paid the "making tax" and I believe there is additional licensing for manufacture and ownership of the tools.

Several years ago, a well known barrel manufacturer (if you know the name, please do not post it publicly, the owner does not want additional publicity pointed at him personally about this) produced a ported paintball barrel and made an external cover for it - much like the rain covers people make. The cover was designed to hide the moisture cloud common in humid weather, especially when using CO2 that could someitmes give away a hidden player's position.

ATF agents raided this man's place of business and confiscated much of his stock. He was threatened with charges. Letters went back and forth, but last I spoke to him charges were never pressed, and the stock was never returned. Needless to say, the manufacturer no longer makes the product.

The last letter I sent to Chief Owen (head of the ATF technology branch) asked several pointed questions. One of these was "If a device were not declared to be a firarm supressor, could it legally be used to supress the report of a paintball gun." Others were about whether the Technology Branch had ever reviewed any paintball supressors and declared that they were not firearm supressors, others were about the criteria they used to classify a device as a supressor or not, and what type of enforcement has been done.

His brief reply was to give me a list of three addresses where I should send those questions - that enforcement questions should go to one address, statute questions should go to another, and that testing and classification questions (the bulk of the questions I had asked) should be sent to Chief Edward Owen of the ATF Technology Branch. I am left to conclude that since he did not answer the questions, and suggested that I send the questions to him (which I had already done) that he had no intention of answering them.

See you on the field,
-Bill Mills

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=112464&highlight=silencer

[neppo1345]

yeah..makes sense...

Thanks...

[p8ntball72]

As to what "real" firearm it looks like , i could care less..
what bothers me.. as a scenario player is the fact that it is an ION in desguise, there by being an illiegal marker out of the box.

NOBODY... shoots a ramping gun in simi, 1 ball per pull.

[Glickman]

As to what "real" firearm it looks like , i could care less..
what bothers me.. as a scenario player is the fact that it is an ION in desguise, there by being an illiegal marker out of the box.

NOBODY... shoots a ramping gun in simi, 1 ball per pull.

and noone takes the time to learn spelling anymore....

im one of those "nobody" that you talk of.

and, i feel sorry for you if your so cynical that you think everyone who bought an ion bought it for the rebound mode.

as far as "illegal" goes, that depends where you play. many outdoor and scenario (not many indoor at all) places allow full automatic, so therefore firing modes would be too.



as far as the silencer goes, if it can me modified to fit and be used effectively on a real firearm, then it needs to be approved and registered. from what i see, i doubt that is the case

[SpitFire1299]

All i can say as of now is the gun looks and sounds stupid.

[Target Practice]

[p8ntball72]

and noone takes the time to learn spelling anymore...."im a internet english teacher"

im one of those "nobody" that you talk of.

and, i feel sorry for you if your so cynical that you think everyone who bought an ion bought it for the rebound mode.

as far as "illegal" goes, that depends where you play. many outdoor and scenario (not many indoor at all) places allow full automatic, so therefore firing modes would be too.



as far as the silencer goes, if it can me modified to fit and be used effectively on a real firearm, then it needs to be approved and registered. from what i see, i doubt that is the case

[bentothejam1n]

yes, all of those people who use emags and xmags must be incredibly dumb for using an electro for scenario.

well if you have ever looked at any scenario based websites you will see that most mil sim or markers made for scenarios are not electric (gasp). And If you have ever gotten your electro wet then you would know why it wouldnt be a good scenario gun

oh, you didnt get the memo? hating SP died out a few months ago

No im afraid i dont tend to follow "popular demand" And im not sure if you got the memo that people stopped sending memos about a year after office space came out

hahaha i couldnt stop laughing after i saw that


oo yea and yes i know it looks like an XM-8 but i bet a lot more people here play halo then watch the history channel

[Caffiend]

And If you have ever gotten your electro wet then you would know why it wouldnt be a good scenario gun

I've used my Emag in the rain a few times, my only complaint is my reloader B board got fried, thank god my apache doesn't mind a little rain

[bentothejam1n]

wow my friend played with his in the rain and it completely broke down.... thats weird

[Caffiend]

it was raining for about 2-3 hours, a steady rain, not a downpour each time I used it during "inclement weather."

[Glickman]

I've used my Emag in the rain a few times, my only complaint is my reloader B board got fried, thank god my apache doesn't mind a little rain

my ion has had no problem in muddy rain, an even better examples are the tons of ions in that relatively recent tourny where it rained on an outdoor airball field (no idea which one)

[p8ntball72]

"i feel sorry for you if your so cynical that you think everyone who bought an ion bought it for the rebound mode."

So how many of these honest responsible adults that have bought IONs are shooting in semi?

sure, its a cheap "turny" level marker. But 99.9 % of players bought them to gain some sort of an "advantage"

Most rec field refs sit on a hay bail till there is a problem.. these guys get a store credit for the hours they spend on the field so they could care less if they are jepordising the fields insurance with rate of fire issues.

You call it cynical... i call it SAFETY.

Have you ever checked into the cost and regs of Field insurance, I have.