Reliability of Vikings

[WenULiVeUdiE]

Is tadao easy to find now a days?
I said nothing false.

http://www.pbwarehouse.net/taakavibo.html

Just so you know.

[UTDragun]

I could care less about open and closed bolt. Ive shot other open bolts that dont curve down AS much IE, timmy, Ego, excal, etc. I didnt even mention topspin, you did. Thats all I was saying. back atcha.

Topspin is what causes

curve balls downward

Which I still have not seen, nor FSDO.

Im not a DYE fanboi. I happen to like Dye markers. I liked my viking and my emag just as much at the time I owned them. I like my Ion and I used to not even like SP. Im just not a biased kung pao chicken like you.

Im still not seeing how you came up with the conclusion of being biased.

weight AND size are issues in the kind of ball I like to play. Im aggressive kinda front man. I cannot run hauling arse to my 50 carrying a 9-10 lbs setup. ANd yes the 6.5-7 lbs is A LOT easier to squeeze into a bunker and lug around. Im a lot more agile w/ a lighter marker. Im sorry if you think that 1-1.5 lbs on a marker alone makes no differnece. Its also easier to snapshoot faster w/ a lighte marker. Im sick of the "lift some weights" arguement. I weigh 180 and benched 305 a year ago, and still prefer a lightweight marker. Its not that I cant carry around a heavier marker, I DONT WANT TO. Im faster w/o it.

will then since you can bench 305, you can tell me you can feel a difference between 303? despite what you think 2 pounds will not be noticeable on your run to the deadbox.

I have a personal prefernece. I never recommended a trix. I didnt recommend a viking or anything else either. I DID however make some points about the other side of vikings that NOBODY was mentioning. If you read through the first page of this thread its all "OMG, vikings are the shiznit" "vikings are the BEST guns ever made" blah......there is no best gun.

Get a cyborg or something, since you think protos are hideous

Pros of the viking
-VERY reliable. I've owned 7 vikings and 5 excals, the viking's big brother, and I only had one problem, related to a new detent design. None of them ever went down on me, ever.
-FAST. As fast as anything out there with the right board and settings. Theres a video of a stock 04 viking I had doing 31 bps (yes, bps) with no noticeable shootdown.
-SOLID. They are built like tanks. Seriously.
-EFFICIENT. Try around 2000 shots off a 68/4500.
-CHEAP. You can get amazing deals on vikings now. I've seen beautiful 04 customs going for under $900, thats just amazing.

Cons
-Can be heavy in stock 03 versions. Stock 04s are lighter, and custom milled ones can be very light, around 2 lbs for some of them.
-AKA is going through a bit of turmoil, but there still seems to be great support in the service network
-Must use a toolkit to work on it, and you must use AKA lube or a high-quality synthetic.

You started off with a good post there, but you were wrong again. then it made its way downhill. People were expressing their opinions. Not once did someone say anything you just quoted. They all stated why they liked vikings with some support, there was more pros than cons listed but still supported.

[UTDragun]

Is tadao easy to find now a days?

http://www.angrypaintball.com/musashi-board-p-291.html

[yakitori]

they were 100 when they were released. Now youre paying 115 plus shipping for a board that you cant even prove is in stock and ready to ship. And angry paintball is paintballdoctor in dallas. Thats where I live, I dont think they have the boards in stock. nice try though.

And if you dont think FSDO is a problem w/ some vikings, youre a tool. read up some. Thats why 1.6v was addressed it by adding dwell for the first shot to account for a sticky ram. Even coolhand admitted that. Even Dan the man auctionjunkie....former AKA guru and employee and mastertech has seen it many times....http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...highlight=FSDO get a life utdragon.

And no, you cannot tell the difference between 303 and 305, but youre not running anywhere w/it. Thats different when you are discussing lifting weight. Its a fact that you are NOT as agile when your setup is bigger and heavier. Every played w/ a pump?

you have contributed nothing to the issue at hand, and if you think that ppl werent praising vikings you need to go back to the first page and re-read it.

Steelrat was the only one who said anything "remotely" negative. Wasnt even negative IMO. All he said was heavy if unmilled, AKA is in turmoil right now, and you need a tool kit. to me, thats not too negative. And that isnt ALL the cons of a viking either.

I know WTF Im talking about. Ive owned the freakin gun for a while and had tadao, mitey max (which didnt reduce kick, more hype), Tadao, etc.

If I wouldve said:

viking is great, its arguably one of the best guns ever made, yada yada.....yould be quoting me going.....*nod*

I didnt do that, now all the fanbois get mad. I even gave the good w/ the bad. Both. Ive owned it, I know what ppl have experienced w/ them. Its a copied design anyway....eh ehm WDP.

[68magOwner]

never had FSDO with my viking, or any other on the team, using WAS, pandora, or tadao, just non-existant in the 4 vikings we have had. Also, no idea what your talking about with the balls curving down deal, just not the case. And, your putting alot of emphasis on weight, when an unmilled 04 weighs roughly the same as the DM4 you much prefered over it and never wined about the weight.

My team is now shooting 2k5 timmys, dm5's, ST dm5, PM6's, my viking, have a freestyle laying around, as well as other markers. And yes, each has its pro's and cons- ex- the timmys get worse shot groupings than the viking or matricies by far, the viking is the heaviest (which, dosnt bother me in the slightest, a matter of ounces dosent slow me down, and i play front/snake (well, anywhere on the field, but, thats where i typically end up)). I am most comfortable playing with the viking, and it performs on par or better than the other markers in every aspect. Other teammates shoot what they want because thats what they like.

BUT- to stay on the topic of reliability, which, is what the thread was about, the viking is the ONLY marker on the team that has stayed up with no problems, through wind, rain, snow, normal play, whatever, has never skipped a beat, and also requires less matinance than ANY of the other markers on the team, so, in that catagory, its top of the heap.

[UTDragun]

they were 100 when they were released. Now youre paying 115 plus shipping for a board that you cant even prove is in stock and ready to ship. And angry paintball is paintballdoctor in dallas. Thats where I live, I dont think they have the boards in stock. nice try though.

Well he was supposed to have them in stock after cup, so that was the story. since you live so close, call him or something and find out for us. Do a little good.

And if you dont think FSDO is a problem w/ some vikings, youre a tool. read up some. Thats why 1.6v was addressed it by adding dwell for the first shot to account for a sticky ram. Even coolhand admitted that. Even Dan the man auctionjunkie....former AKA guru and employee and mastertech has seen it many times....http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...highlight=FSDO get a life utdragon.

Right and that was how long ago? What I was implying is that was a thing of the past. "Get a life" ...wow, should I feel bad or something?

And no, you cannot tell the difference between 303 and 305, but youre not running anywhere w/it. Thats different when you are discussing lifting weight. Its a fact that you are NOT as agile when your setup is bigger and heavier. Every played w/ a pump?

Sure have, and bigger doesnt always mean heavier. Even so, it doesnt make that much of a noticiable difference

you have contributed nothing to the issue at hand, and if you think that ppl werent praising vikings you need to go back to the first page and re-read it.

Why don't you re-read what I said? I never said they werent praising. I said they were praising with support. Not "OMG Vikes beat everything else" like you quoted.

Steelrat was the only one who said anything "remotely" negative. Wasnt even negative IMO. All he said was heavy if unmilled, AKA is in turmoil right now, and you need a tool kit. to me, thats not too negative. And that isnt ALL the cons of a viking either.

Im sorry you believe that your opinoins are superior to all. It doesnt have to be demeaning to be negative. My point was that there were cons pointed out and you discredited and ignored them

I know WTF Im talking about. Ive owned the freakin gun for a while and had tadao, mitey max (which didnt reduce kick, more hype), Tadao, etc.

At least you have confidence in yourself

If I wouldve said:

viking is great, its arguably one of the best guns ever made, yada yada.....yould be quoting me going.....*nod*

Sure wouldnt. Good try though.

I didnt do that, now all the fanbois get mad. I even gave the good w/ the bad. Both. Ive owned it, I know what ppl have experienced w/ them. Its a copied design anyway....eh ehm WDP.

You did give the good with the bad, it is something that not alot of people do, but some over your info was skewed a little. Angels with batter packs are slightly different though, but still the same basic design. Which by the way, Both the DM platform and The AKA/WDP Tri tube design are coming pretty close to being as good as they can get.

[UTDragun]

heres what was said, although I admit I might have read it wrong the first time

http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?p=17167173#post17167173

[Steelrat]

Pros of the viking
-VERY reliable. I've owned 7 vikings and 5 excals, the viking's big brother, and I only had one problem, related to a new detent design. None of them ever went down on me, ever.
-FAST. As fast as anything out there with the right board and settings. Theres a video of a stock 04 viking I had doing 31 bps (yes, bps) with no noticeable shootdown.
-SOLID. They are built like tanks. Seriously.
-EFFICIENT. Try around 2000 shots off a 68/4500.
-CHEAP. You can get amazing deals on vikings now. I've seen beautiful 04 customs going for under $900, thats just amazing.

Cons
-Can be heavy in stock 03 versions. Stock 04s are lighter, and custom milled ones can be very light, around 2 lbs for some of them.
-AKA is going through a bit of turmoil, but there still seems to be great support in the service network
-Must use a toolkit to work on it, and you must use AKA lube or a high-quality synthetic.

You started off with a good post there, but you were wrong again. then it made its way downhill. People were expressing their opinions. Not once did someone say anything you just quoted. They all stated why they liked vikings with some support, there was more pros than cons listed but still supported.

Wait, was that directed at me, or yakitori?

[magman007]

i give up reading this thread.

[Steelrat]

i give up reading this thread.

No, keep with it, this is when things start to get interesting. At least it hasn't degenerated into one of those "O rly?" threads.

[yakitori]

I wouldnt take Utdragons word for anything. As far as Im concerned he isnt aware of ANY issues w/ vikings. IF AKA could make vikings and excals still, Im sure the issues would be addressed. Any good paintball gun manufacturer addresses and tries to remedy issues of the previousl years model. At least they should. .

[magman007]

No, keep with it, this is when things start to get interesting. At least it hasn't degenerated into one of those "O rly?" threads.

[SCpoloRicker]

No, keep with it, this is when things start to get interesting. At least it hasn't degenerated into one of those "O rly?" threads.

edit: Dangit!

[CoolHand]

Anyway. Kung pao chicken is no worse a name calling than fanboi so get over it. I didnt go on a matra about how spools are better, I simply said why I PERSONALLY like spool valves over poppets.

Man, I don't care what you call me, it makes me no difference. I just hadn't heard that used in a derogatory manner before.

I said that dye markers have weak wiring didnt I? Didnt I say that? Yes I did. Hmmmm...what else is bad about them. They are expensive. hmmm.....cant think of much else wrong w/ the 06 guns. Can you?

They're spoolers.

and a lot of the rest of your post coolhand is misleading and inaccurate about where this thread has gone. I dont have to go back and quote to prove it, but ppl can go read for themselves. I said nothing but good things about a viking at first, then everyone started their "vikings are like the best guns ever made" schpeel and then I stated some negatives. Thats when the guy even says"""""I dont see how I [i]cant[i/] buy a viking" and thats a straight quote even w/ the misused Italics.


Show me where I mislead anyone. I didn't do anything of the kind. I have had nothing but good luck and fun with my Viking (even though I am a crappy PB player). I told him my experiences, and that's it. No more no less. Everything I said is true. I haven't had any problems, and my buddy with a Viking hasn't had any problems. He loves his to death.

The fact is that I am very happy with my Viking, so much so that I sold every other electro I had (except the new electro Mag I just built ). As my dad would say, "I'm as happy as a puppy with two peckers."

Anyway, I'm not running you down, think whatever you like, and say whatever you like, just don't expect me to swallow it, or if asked, confirm it.

Again, more slander.....I thought a person of your status (a dealer, and logic paintball person) would be a bit more insightful and able to read a post.....appearantly I was wrong.

BTW, it's not slander if it's written down . . . . . . . . . it's libel.

AND, to be libel, it has to be a lie. . . . . . . . . but since you ARE making an *** out of yourself, I didn't say anything at all that wasn't true.

[yakitori]

BTW, it's not slander if it's written down . . . . . . . . . it's libel.

AND, to be libel, it has to be a lie. . . . . . . . . but since you ARE making an *** out of yourself, I didn't say anything at all that wasn't true.

libel is publicly written. Slander is a more relative explaination of it since you are typing your thoughts which would be otherwise spoken.

I know what libel is.

I have NOT made an arse of myself. Maybe in your crappy pball playing eyes I have, but Ive said nothing but what I know and believe to be true about vikings. I owned one for a long time and I know.

so you dont like spoolers, and I like them more than poppets. Big deal. they shoot smoother to me. Ive said over and over that if I went to a poppet that it would be a viking excal or cyborg....so stfu already