ReTro Valve

[Sprite]

Just looking for a quick answer but might I ask, If the ReTro Valve is rated at 3000 Psi Would it make a differance if I where to use a 4500 HPA tank or would it be better to use a 3000 HPA tank both with an output pressure of ~800 Psi?

Thanks for your time

[atm743]

only difference is that the 4500 will hold more air

thats it


really nothing eals to worrie about


well not really there could be a unlikey chance in the reg of the tank break and not regulate the air comeing out and have all psi thats in the tank go into your gun in wich would happen would pop you line to the valve faster then anything soo really you dont have to worrie about anything

[Kevmaster]

when it says the valve is rated to 3k psi, it means the valve can intake 3k psi witohut problems. both a 4.5k tank and 3k tank will output around 800psi so you'll be set with either since the valve will never get more than that 800psi.

[Carbon Blue]

the valve will never get more than that 800psi.

unless youve got an adjustable N2 system or scuba tank in which you run 1000+psi into it

[Sprite]

Awesome thanks for clearing that up now one last thing, What would be the ideal output pressure off the tank for the mag to run consistently?

Thanks again

[Beemer]

when it says the valve is rated to 3k psi, it means the valve can intake 3k psi witohut problems. both a 4.5k tank and 3k tank will output around 800psi so you'll be set with either since the valve will never get more than that 800psi.

You know you really cant say never.

The only difference it will make if the tank reg fails is the RT will eather get hit with 3000 or 4500 psi if it happens to fail on a Full fill.

Dont worry though the valve was tested at over 5000psi. The air line is another thing. Use HP line.

Peace Out

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[Dayspring]

The tank reg & burst disk would have to fail AND the air line would have to hold all that pressure. So the combination of factors is leading to a "You won't reall ever be in that situation." kind of thing.

[Kevmaster]

The only difference it will make if the tank reg fails is the RT will eather get hit with 3000 or 4500 psi if it happens to fail on a Full fill.

but realisticaly or practically...you can

[FSU_Paintball]

Seriously. That's nearly like saying your pod pack COULD spontaneously combust. It might be a remote possibility, but it's not even worth mentioning.

[Beemer]

The tank reg & burst disk would have to fail AND the air line would have to hold all that pressure. So the combination of factors is leading to a "You won't reall ever be in that situation." kind of thing.

I would rather not blow a line at 4500psi, so the line I use is rated for it.

but realisticaly or practically...you can

Seriously. ................but it's not even worth mentioning.

Seriously and realistically I guess you are right. It will never happen.

But something did happen here. I bet it was less then 3000psi too.

http://steveabramo.com/mcb/videos/cbs_tank_burst.wmv

Seems to be multiple failures here. This was only Co2 not HP air.

Do you know what the burst disks we use in HP tanks are rated at?
Do ALL tank regs have a tank and a down stream burst disk?

We used to say no one will be killed. Cant Really say that any more can we?

Peace Out

[TheTramp]

Awesome thanks for clearing that up now one last thing, What would be the ideal output pressure off the tank for the mag to run consistently?

Thanks again

Any HP tank is going to be around 800-850psi give or take 50psi. This is perfectly fine for any type of Mag valve.

If you had an adjustable tank you could drop it to 650psi but I would not go any lower than that. You could also go up to ~1100psi but there's really no need for that.

I like to run my E-Mag at 900psi but in the end it would really work just as well at 800psi. In fact, now that I think about it, I never use anything other than E-mode so I should probably drop down to 700psi or so.

These are all just rules of thumb and my opinion. Others have gone lower than 650 and higher than 1100 but I wouldn't.

[warbeak2099]

Going lower than 800psi is pointless.

Running your RT style valved mag at around 800-850psi will be perfect for legal semi shooting.

Running it at 900-1200psi is perfect for "sweet spotting" aka rapid firing.

Zak Vetter ran a 3000psi scuba tank straight into his RTP and got around 35bps rapid firing it. Now, taking a scuba onto the field might not be the most practical thing. Running around 1000psi will allow you to do around 20bps, which is fast enough. Depending on how you shoot, you might get higher or lower results.

TheTramp, just because you are in E-mode doesn't mean you don't have to run as much pressure into the valve. The higher the input pressure, the better the recharge rate. So yea, there is a point to running your tank at 1000psi even in E-mode. The valve will be able to recharge faster and thus will be able to keep up with electro speeds (15+bps).

[TheTramp]

Going lower than 800psi is pointless.

Not if the valve will fully cycle at 650 and you want to shoot further into your tank. I don't bother to do it but plenty of people run their E-Mags in the 700's.

TheTramp, just because you are in E-mode doesn't mean you don't have to run as much pressure into the valve. The higher the input pressure, the better the recharge rate. So yea, there is a point to running your tank at 1000psi even in E-mode. The valve will be able to recharge faster and thus will be able to keep up with electro speeds (15+bps).

No there isn't. My E-Mag doesn't shoot any faster with 1000 then it does with 800. Do you really believe that it needs 1000psi to recharge fully at 15bps? It can fully recharge with 800psi at 26bps. There is no need to return the trigger more forcefully than 800psi does when in E mode because the trigger rod isn't interacting with the trigger. There is no significant correlation between input and rate of fire in E-mode as long as you're giving the valve at least 750 (give or take depending on the valve).

"thus will be able to keep up with electro speeds".... What are you talking about? You could put 650 and easily shoot 15bps with no shoot-down. Do you even own an E-Mag? "Keep up with electro speeds"

[Dayspring]

Just an fyi, it DIDN'T hit 26bps on just 800psi. It was over that. Considerably.

[warbeak2099]

My point exactly.