Ideas to save mags thread

[Cow hunter]

I find it depressing on how many threads there were dedicated to how mags are "history, a compan that will never again be mainstream" so i thought i would be a good idea to have a thread dedicated to ideas to save the mags





My idea is as follows,
maybe if the NPPL and other tourney's allowed mags to use run away or the too many shims technique in competition then the mag would be in the mainstream again, as all it needs is a little trigger skill and, and technically its not really cheating becase when you use the technique with too many shims you dont really pull the trigger....... sorta........

Post any of your ideas that may bring AGD back to life

[JRingold]

Buy more AutoMags.

'nuff said?

[Lohman446]

Keep alive:

Minimize overhead and production, become a niche company, and continue. R&D is paid for already, there is not a ton of room for improvement, and you fit well in a niche of a reasonably priced, high end mechanical marker without exposing yourself to the liability issues of creating an electro. I'll bet it would work

/Wonders why noone has thought of this..
//Oh wait...

[craltal]

let's make the guns unsafe and risk great bodily harm!

That'll work!

Maybe we don't want to be that mainstream? Ever think of that?

[Gunther_mag_user]

Alright off of the top of my head I can think of...

efficiency(lose the spring, use a ram to recock the bolt.)
name change(mags will always have the omgwtfchopzor name)
New look(Make a new looking marker that continues to use the x valve)
Gas thru(run through the foregrip)
Limited edition mill runs and annos
more aggressive milling
eyes(best way to get rid of the chopping name)
Pneumatic/ electropneumatic operation
HYPE the new platforms
Introduce a version with lpr and hpr(economicly efficient, a whole new line of markers.)
Comes stock with predator or some other well known board.

Thats all i can think of right now.

[siloseven]

Alright off of the top of my head I can think of...

efficiency(lose the spring, use a ram to recock the bolt.)
name change(mags will always have the omgwtfchopzor name)
New look(Make a new looking marker that continues to use the x valve)
Gas thru(run through the foregrip)
Limited edition mill runs and annos
more aggressive milling
eyes(best way to get rid of the chopping name)
Pneumatic/ electropneumatic operation
HYPE the new platforms
Introduce a version with lpr and hpr(economicly efficient, a whole new line of markers.)
Comes stock with predator or some other well known board.

Thats all i can think of right now.

that's about what I said not too long ago and got shot down. and these are the best things to do in the long run. to survive, just to survive not go mainstreem or to the top, a company needs these type of things.

and market things to the avrave teenager, becuase that is the general paintball demographic not the working adult like that past.

[Vex]

The only issue I have with these solutions is that 80% of these fixes could also be said about Tippmans. Why would these things need to be done to survive, when Tippmans is doing just fine without them?

Exactly!

Tippmann is also a niche market. There are huge with scenario/woodsballer/rec ball players.
AGD has quite a loyal following also. How many people on this forum own a mag or three? How many don't? Those that don't own Mags, have to know by now that they are not the blending dinosaurs that every other forum says they are. Sure, the technology is old, but who cares--it works! Does anyone mention how old the Autococker's technology is? Why not? Cockers aren't running on any new innovative technology. Sure, they added electronic capabilities, but so did AGD. Also, AGD has been far more instrumental in implementing fundamental changes and technology for paintball (HPA, first anti-chop bolt, etc.)

People need to stop worrying about how to bring AGD "back to life". Look around you...
AGD is NOT DEAD!

[Gunther_mag_user]

The only issue I have with these solutions is that 80% of these fixes could also be said about Tippmans. Why would these things need to be done to survive, when Tippmans is doing just fine without them?

The thing with tippmanns is they are unmatched in their category. They are indestuctable low end markers. Mags on the other hand are much more pricey in a market that is dominated in electros. Why get a mech mag when you can get a number of electros that function as well as any other marker?. It's all in the market, people want fast electro guns with flashy annos and ubleromg11! milling. More markers are available with more features at a cheaper price. In order for agd to really become a powerplayer(if you would even call it that) again, they need to release an all new looking marker, with more features, and it has to be more appealing to the general public.. That doesn't mean they need to scrap the best thing they have going, they just need new looks with new features. Eyes are a must, big names are a must, HYPE is a must. People love to accesorize their markers with custom things. It's not that farfetched, just a new look that is more appealing to the average "look at me" person.

And that is all I have to say about that

(oh, and without guys like rogue and coolhand, mags would be much less popular. Thanks again.)

[Gunther_mag_user]

Exactly!

Tippmann is also a niche market. There are huge with scenario/woodsballer/rec ball players.
AGD has quite a loyal following also. How many people on this forum own a mag or three? How many don't? Those that don't own Mags, have to know by now that they are not the blending dinosaurs that every other forum says they are. Sure, the technology is old, but who cares--it works! Does anyone mention how old the Autococker's technology is? Why not? Cockers aren't running on any new innovative technology. Sure, they added electronic capabilities, but so did AGD. Also, AGD has been far more instrumental in implementing fundamental changes and technology for paintball (HPA, first anti-chop bolt, etc.)

People need to stop worrying about how to bring AGD "back to life". Look around you...
AGD is NOT DEAD!

I agree with you, if it works why mess with it? All I am saying is there are a few things that agd could do to introduce a new platform witha couple new features, people would eat it up. I dunno, I am tired and somewhat mentally confused, but I do agree with you that agd is not dead, just stating my thoughts of things that could... help... maybe.

[Vex]

I agree with you, if it works why mess with it? All I am saying is there are a few things that agd could do to introduce a new platform witha couple new features, people would eat it up. I dunno, I am tired and somewhat mentally confused, but I do agree with you that agd is not dead, just stating my thoughts of things that could... help... maybe.

It's not like they haven't tried to appease their customers: ULE, ULT, Intelliframe, E Mag, Tac One, Level 10, Warp Feed, etc.

Why should they try to join the ranks of every other gun out there? Mags are more unique than any other mechanical marker out there right now. There's no need to saturate an already flooded market.

I don't know, I could be way off.

[Gunther_mag_user]

It's not like they haven't tried to appease their customers: ULE, ULT, Intelliframe, E Mag, Tac One, Level 10, Warp Feed, etc.

Why should they try to join the ranks of every other gun out there? Mags are more unique than any other mechanical marker out there right now. There's no need to saturate an already flooded market.

I don't know, I could be way off.

Touche'

edit: sorry, I sorta lost heart in defending my point

[duby]

Couple little things that i would like to see...

-Internal air hoses through the rail

-Take the reg out of the valve...my mag isnt as consistant as some other markers i have owned and would love to throw a 2 liter or something on there, i think this would also save a little weight cause everyone uses a foregrip or gas through anyway. plus it would give everyone one just one more way to customize thier mag.

-Make the level 10 less tempromental which can be a pain, especially cause most local shops and fields have no idea what to do with a mag.

-Get coolhand, rouge, luke, tuna's stuff, as well as the mags themself distributed on the major online pb stores which seem to be where alot of buying is going on.


I am sure i will add more later...

[Vex]

-Get coolhand, rouge, luke, tuna's stuff, as well as the mags themself distributed on the major online pb stores which seem to be where alot of buying is going on.

The problem with that:
Look at just about any online retailer; how much AGD stuff do you see...? It just won't work.

I am hardly knocking these fine gentlemen. They are true miracle makers for our little sector of the paintball galaxy.
These guys stay alive through our support and our support only! Most of their stuff is indigenous to Mags only, so it's not like it's interchangeable with other markers.

As long as there are Mags, these guys will be around (hopefully!)

[Vex]

Nah, I think you got it right. If it means anything, I agree with you 100%

The fear for any manufacturer though is that we are the minority.

Thanks Rogue!

Unfortunately, in the paintball world, because you chose AGD, you are a minority. However, ninjas were also minorites!

[duby]

The problem with that:
Look at just about any online retailer; how much AGD stuff do you see...? It just won't work.

I am hardly knocking these fine gentlemen. They are true miracle makers for our little sector of the paintball galaxy.
These guys stay alive through our support and our support only! Most of their stuff is indigenous to Mags only, so it's not like it's interchangeable with other markers.

As long as there are Mags, these guys will be around (hopefully!)

i am saying that if there were rt-pros, paradigms, etc on say action village with all these great upgrades on the same site would be huge. there are no mags on many of the major online paintball stores, only old mags at many local shops...many people dont even know that there is now ule bodies and rails, level 10, etc. many people only think that the only mag is a classic mag and the old e-mags.