When the mags die.......

[GT]

Nah, the RTs were out before that

AO (or a vocal minority): Hybrid rules, this is faster than anything else. Ramping sucks, ramping cheaters

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Keep your shorts on Lo,
Besides back in the day you could shoot however fast you want, because no loader was faster than 13bps

Originally Posted by phantomhitman
Just to clarify, you cannot control the rof with hybrid mode or bounce on mech mags. Sometimes you will hit 10, other times 15-20 or more. That is all that is not legal.

Have you ever shot a mag before?

[11 Bravo]

Yeh, when I switched from an E-mag to a Shocker to a Matrix there was no performance upgrades there I'm just sheep. Oh I wish I could be as smart as you were oh almighty, arrogant, mag shooter.

Richard!!

[TheTramp]

Yeh, when I switched from an E-mag to a Shocker to a Matrix there was no performance upgrades there I'm just sheep. Oh I wish I could be as smart as you were oh almighty, arrogant, mag shooter.

To be honest, I didn't notice any performance upgrades when I shot a Shocker for a day instead of my E-Mag. I chopped/broke paint more and it wasn't any faster. I did get more shots per tank so that was nice.

I've never spent a full day with a Matrix but they sure sound fast.

[Recon by Fire]

Yeh, when I switched from an E-mag to a Shocker to a Matrix there was no performance upgrades there I'm just sheep. Oh I wish I could be as smart as you were oh almighty, arrogant, mag shooter.

You should drop that useful post number down some there...

[BigEvil]

Yeh, when I switched from an E-mag to a Shocker to a Matrix there was no performance upgrades there I'm just sheep. Oh I wish I could be as smart as you were oh almighty, arrogant, mag shooter.

That is totally debatable. Im not breaking out the flame thrower, but other than better software and efficency (Which on Trixes really isnt that great) what are the "Performance upgrades"? Eyes? My Xmag has one of those. Under pure semi-auto conditions with no assistance either of my E-mags keep up with any marker that I have compared it to.

Marker choice is all a matter of preference.

[phantomhitman]

Have you ever shot a mag before?

Just to clarify. Thats BS.

Nope, I bought a classic mag and hung it on the wall. I thought it was getting lonely so I made it a xvalved brother. I really wanted triplets so I bought a devilmag. Now I have a nice wall of guns I do not shoot.

Get over it, hybrid mode/bounce is not controlable. You cannot say I can make it shoot 5 balls this pull as compared to next. You two are completely ignorant if you think these modes are %100 controlled and accurate rates of fire. I hate ramping, and I do not want to defend it. But the fact remains there is a bps rate that is controlled and shoots the exact amount everytime as compaired to placing your finger at the sweet spot of the trigger and letting it do its thing.

[Beemer]

Nope, I bought a classic mag and hung it on the wall. I thought it was getting lonely so I made it a xvalved brother. I really wanted triplets so I bought a devilmag. Now I have a nice wall of guns I do not shoot.

Get over it, hybrid mode/bounce is not controlable. You cannot say I can make it shoot 5 balls this pull as compared to next. You two are completely ignorant if you think these modes are %100 controlled and accurate rates of fire. I hate ramping, and I do not want to defend it. But the fact remains there is a bps rate that is controlled and shoots the exact amount everytime as compaired to placing your finger at the sweet spot of the trigger and letting it do its thing.

You should take your guns off the wall and shoot them. Try it you might like it.[I know lets get mikey]

I think you just called me ignorant. That wasnt very nice. Now you hurt my feelings and I might need my meds now

Do even you know how much pressure you need to cycle the mag at 26SPS?
Do you know what the Max cycle rate is at 800psi in?

The RT is return assist not pull assist. How does ramping work?

You said sweetspot. Mine are set up Properly so this is very hard for me to try and do.

Sometimes you will hit 10, other times 15-20 or more.

This is the bs part. Even if I do get some bounce it will not magically jump to 20 or more at OEM specs.

A PROPERLY setup EMag at normal pressure should be one shot one pull.

Peace Out

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[phantomhitman]

And you know as well as me people do not set them up properly for bounce. They set them up to get the most amount of bounce without interfering with the cycle (short stroking). I am also talking about the gun will shoot a string of balls until you release the trigger. I have seen teammates empty whle halos with the assist of bounce, so taht is around 140-160 balls. I am not saying you pull the trigger once and the gun shots 10 bps. I am refering to the sweet spot where you place yoru finger and the gun continues to shoot until you move yoru finger.
I know quite well how mags work, bounce works, hybrid works, and ramping works. I own/owned at least one of each gun that does each one.

I think you are me are talking about different aspects of bounce/hybrid beemer.

[GT]

I know quite well how mags work, bounce works, hybrid works, and ramping works. I own/owned at least one of each gun that does each one.

I think you are talking about different aspects of bounce/hybrid beemer.

What you are talking about is sweet spoting which can be done with any, any marker. Sweet spoting is vastly different than a ramp. FYI you can also do this with REAL firearms.

Just to clarify, you cannot control the rof with hybrid mode or bounce on mech mags. Sometimes you will hit 10, other times 15-20 or more.

I would love to see a video of a stock mag, non-moded on.off pin, software, or 1100psi input, that would ramp to 15-20bps. DO you think that if this was true AGD wouln't be able to keep mags in stock? The kids love to shoot 20 bps. You can buy old RT's for 250 bucks, add lvlX and you have a machine gun.

IS there a sweet spot in Hybrid, you bet, however most people can shoot as fast if not faster without hybrid. Take your collection of all three of your mags and actually shoot them.

That is all that is not legal. But mags have been doing this for a long time now, it is not like it was just discovered, so does that make it the original cheater gun?

WTF is a "cheater" gun?

[Cow hunter]

he means more than one shot per pull AKA "cheating"

[Beemer]

And you know as well as me people do not set them up properly for bounce. They set them up to get the most amount of bounce without interfering with the cycle (short stroking). I am also talking about the gun will shoot a string of balls until you release the trigger. I have seen teammates empty whle halos with the assist of bounce, so taht is around 140-160 balls. I am not saying you pull the trigger once and the gun shots 10 bps. I am refering to the sweet spot where you place yoru finger and the gun continues to shoot until you move yoru finger.
I know quite well how mags work, bounce works, hybrid works, and ramping works. I own/owned at least one of each gun that does each one.

I think you are me are talking about different aspects of bounce/hybrid beemer.

No we arent. I know what sweet spotting is. I still think you called me ignorant so I had to take my meds

You didnt answer my two questions so you must not know quite enough.
Screw the bounce just make it FA at 15bps.

[11 Bravo]

Again someone started a AGD is dying thread. He said its inevitable. I say again in this thread how do any of us know? I came back to mags this year. I have since purchased or built 5 mags. I am not the only one. For every mag owner that comes on here there has to be plenty more that dont.
The only reason any of us think AGD is dying is because people keep starting threads that say AGD is dying.

Next time just email TK and ask him what AGDs finances are like.

[dahoeb]

Again someone started a AGD is dying thread. He said its inevitable. I say again in this thread how do any of us know? I came back to mags this year. I have since purchased or built 5 mags. I am not the only one. For every mag owner that comes on here there has to be plenty more that dont.
The only reason any of us think AGD is dying is because people keep starting threads that say AGD is dying.

Next time just email TK and ask him what AGDs finances are like.

word

[animal]

I was going to say "as long as I can still get an R/T parts kit..." but I've never replaced an o-ring in my emag valve in the 4 years I've had it and it works better now than the day I pulled it out of the box! (added a TL63 blade trigger and level 10) I still have the original agd gun oil, and didn't even crack the shrinkwrap on the vhs tape. The only thing I've replaced in 5 years was 2 or 3 screw-in tank o-rings (and I usually find those on the ground)

At this rate, It'll be harder to find a VCR for sale to even play the tape, than a parts kit to use with the tape. :)

[m-a-r-k-7]

In the beginning/middle of this thread people mentioned Tom has somthing new in the works. People say this ofter, but is there any truth behind this? As long as I've been into Mags (a little under a year) people have been saying this, but haven't backed it up with any hard evidance. I realize that revolution (or what will probably end up being evolution) takes time, but all I have heard is random paople saying he has somthing in the works.

(if Tom officially said this one time and I just didn't see it I appologize for this post)