"Im ok with capped 15BPS ramping" - opinions?

[KRAKMT]

You might be able to say that but as we discussed before- you are not where the dollars are or who the girl who gets blasted is going to sue. She is going to sue the field for permitting players to violate the standards. I would have to think about it but at first glance I don't see the duty owed by a player to another player but might be necessary to establish in order to get to the manufacturor.

[Lohman446]

The interesting thing to me, at least for the purpose of this thread, is why was the number 15 arrived at. Why not 10? or 50? There have been a number of reasonable ideas given, I'm curious to others thoughts.

[VFX_Fenix]

I'll speculate that 15 was arrived at almost arbitrarily. Back in the begining of the electro movement there was a self imposed ROF cap on software (and in some cases mechanically) of 13bps with full auto/burst modes set to 10bps. I believe that the number 15 was picked as a "step forward" from the 13bps cap the industry previously placed on itself to reflect the "advancement" of the sport and new pace of the game in the shadow of unlimited ROF game formats and the increasing prevalence of enhanced firing modes.


Basically the industry didn't want to have to take a pervious stance (13bps cap) and agreed to allow enhanced firing modes which are difficult to detect quickly in some cases.

Take anything lower than 13bps and they'd have to admit that their previous collective decision was wrong and going back to 13bps would also imply a mistake on the part of the industry for causing an ROF arms race more serious than simply, "Yeah, we should be able to shoot at higher ROF's, just not unlimited ROF's."

[hitech]

It's quite possible that it was based on the fact that 15 is about the max most people can do on a true semi.

It's also possible that 10 is too slow and 20 is too fast. 15 is a nice round number in between. And it doesn't sound all that out of place.

[Kwaidd]

this has been a good thread to follow. I have enjoyed reading everyones thoughts. So, even though some folks feel they have seen/heard enough on the topic...i kinda appreciated havin it here for my own entertainment value.

as far as anything i have to add to it all...bleachit said something i was thinking about b4 i got to his post, and so i thought about it some more.

1 pull 1 ball. Someone shoots 9 balls per second, but because they are rapidly pulling the trigger are all the balls going to be in as tight a grouping? i would expect some movement and therefore a wider spread or less accuracy. If 1 or even 2 or 3 balls hit someone in the head or neck or both within a 3 second timespan b4 the person can call themselves out or get out of the way then i dont see where much harm/dmg can be accrued.
however, if someone because of some software is able to be throwing 15 bps with minimal trigger pull (less gun wobble, therefore tighter grouping/more accuracy) then i see the balls being alot more connected to each other and I perceive the harm factor/dmg to a certain body area more impacted by that.

Case in point, people used to be punished/killed by stoning/caning/beatings. One whack with a stick or one stone thrown hard will hurt, but wont normally kill someone. however, beign hit over and over and over and over by stones/punches (boxing deaths come to mind)/sticks could cause serious injury or worse.

On the flipside to that, i feel that aiming for someones head/face purposefully is irresponsible regardless of how well/safe our head/face protection is made. so, that said if people are aiming for areas other than the head...then ramping (or not pulling the trigger as many times to get the same number of balls = increased accuracy) would mean that there would be a tighter grouping to where the shooter was aiming and less chance to hit someone in the head lets say, therefore less chance for injury. Phew, that was alot of blather =p
Of course, thats just playing devils advocate saying what if people wouldnt aim for the head.

anyways, that was a mouthfull, and it came to me after several beers. take it as you want...hopefully you find entertainment value in it, as the rest of this thread has entertained me.


-Kw