Interesting Thread on PBN about lobbing guns

[dahoeb]

haha nice drawing troen.
its hard to believe that people will actually believe whatever the manufacturer tells them, about trajectory, range, elves...etc etc. i guess if you make something so simple sound really really complicated, you can still confuse some people into believe what you want them to.

[matt-o]

http://media.putfile.com/ego-lobbing

this is supposed to be evidence of egos "lobbing"? not only does it not compare with other guns, it dosnt give us any data or numbers to look at. and youi cant even notice the arc on the shots, hes not shooting anywhere near the gun's full range

[Troen]

haha nice drawing troen.
its hard to believe that people will actually believe whatever the manufacturer tells them, about trajectory, range, elves...etc etc. i guess if you make something so simple sound really really complicated, you can still confuse some people into believe what you want them to.

thanks alot. IONS ARE HIGH END. manufacters rumors are hard to ignore. EGOS DONT BOUNCE. some people just have learn that their fingers dont move onto a peice of metal seventeen times in a second, having a gun "capable" of 30 is pointless.BUY SMARTPARTS oh well, what can you do?

http://media.putfile.com/ego-lobbing
this is supposed to be evidence of egos "lobbing"? not only does it not compare with other guns, it dosnt give us any data or numbers to look at. and youi cant even notice the arc on the shots, hes not shooting anywhere near the gun's full range

i dont see anything, the balls go straight towards the tree, its hard to tell if the gun is angled.

[peewee]

I hate to have to say this but that thread had no intellectual value until people from AO started posting.

[Teamslayer76]

That was a waste of my time. I thought they were talking about throwing the guns! Damnit!

[GT]

I just posted. Problem solved. I gave them the plain ol' AO, Get up ot Shut up.


gt

[Steelrat]

Why the hell is everyone treating Jack Wood with such kid gloves? He made a rather exceptional claim, then refused to back it up with evidence, because it was a trade secret, or something to that effect. I remember that Ethan from Freeflow was regularly flogged whenever he showed up on that forum, due to some of his claims, like the boring and honing.

[GT]

Why the hell is everyone treating Jack Wood with such kid gloves? He made a rather exceptional claim, then refused to back it up with evidence, because it was a trade secret, or something to that effect. I remember that Ethan from Freeflow was regularly flogged whenever he showed up on that forum, due to some of his claims, like the boring and honing.

if it were AO, i would have no problem straight out calling BS. Problem is I might get baned, which doesnt solve any problems. I think my post had a sufficient challenge for him. Lets see if he takes the bait.

[Dark Side]

hehe, 9.8m/s^2 How many people on PBnation now what terminal velocity is. maybe it should have been said that it is only that max acceleration that gravity will induce. I miss Physics class.

[minimag03]

I seriously don't see how those people could believe that guy after what he said.

Jack "The Ego shoots more accurate at close range"

Magman "How?"

Jack "I can't tell you, but I'm smart so I must be right"

[magman007]

if it were AO, i would have no problem straight out calling BS. Problem is I might get baned, which doesnt solve any problems. I think my post had a sufficient challenge for him. Lets see if he takes the bait.

EXACTLY Gt, thats why i am typing so cordially, and i have to have respect for the man, he must be doing something right to have one of the most popular markers in the industry, and to have the most popular upgrade electro frame for the cocker.

[spacedtedybear]

Here is my view in all of this stuff:

If one were to use your elementary equations from physics learned in highschool, you can determine the motion (its position) of the projectile. Simple enough since your basic highschool equations are functions with respect to time.

If you were to include air resistence, everything gets a little tricky. The equations of motion now are now dependant on velocity and the property of the projectile in question. Still not too bad; you just need a little bit of calculus, and a table of integrals

When you involve spin it all goes to hell, since the magnus effect (a reference people are so fond of using) is dependant on the drag forces mentioned above, as well as the rotational velocity of the ball with respect to the linear direction of the ball. This then requires vector cross product, which personally, is a pain in the feedneck to do. THe magnus effect also depends on the coefficient of kinetic friction, as a rougher surface is capable of "grabbing" more air. Then there's also the little seam on the ball as well, and the fact that it's filled with a semi-viscous liquid.

Look at the flatline and the apex barrels. They work as advertised, but if you've ever been on both ends of the barrels, you know that both barrels have really poor grouping. That is because the barrels can't guarantee a fixed rotational velocity of the ball, as well as a fixed seam position.

End rant.

[Carbon]

You know, i'll be honest with ya, the classic PBN "flatter tajectory/lobbing gun" convo.; i revel at the chance to be an internet dick head, just for my own sheer amusement. I know its not helping but, i just get a kick out of essentially saying"Get the F*** real!"

Only on PBN tho!

[magman007]

STUFF JUST GOT INTERESTING!!!

check out docs replies. Jackwoodowned

[Maghog]

All of that discussion would have been much better spent on actually tossing Ego's through the air than debating something that has already been proven.