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  • Butterfingers
    PhD in Automagology
    • Jan 2001
    • 2263

    #16
    Ok I guess I can reveal all since there are no ethics in paintball anymore and somehow in the course of paintball history ramping to full auto is now allowed.... So heres some clues so you can pretty easily figure it out.

    1) Parts that are not made any more. There is a small diffrence in the internals of the current X-valve and the internals of the Old ReTro valve. It has to do with the On/Off chamber. The ReTro valve has one less 0-ring and is internally identical to the original RT. Some early production E-mag valves also have this feature. It is impossible to convert modern generation valves because the metal was milled away. This feature does not increase reacivity persay but it makes sure tolerances stay tight because it is alot harder to compress stainless steel than it is urethane.

    2) The quad-o-ring. You put it in the afformentioned chamber. Keep in mind that the first gen e-mag used a .725 pin (aluminum topped on/off) before switching to a .712. Try both with the 0-ring to see what works.

    3) The on-off pin. Centerflag used to ship a hyperstepped on/off pin with thier origninal hyperframes along with a smaller 0-ring. You can make your own out of a normal RT pin but its a pain in the arse and you need to find a super tight o-ring. Place these items in the original AGD RT on/off assy shaved to the appropriate length as mentioned above.

    4) A good trigger frame.

    5) Fulcrum point of the on/off assy. This does not need to be changed but it helps slightly. You will need to drill a hole for the trigger rod assy higher in the sear. You will need carbide bits. You will break steel bits, you will break cobalt bits, you will break titanium bits this thing is hard.

    6) The most important thing is a high flowing airsystem. Reacitvity is not only affected by PSI but also by flow and recharge rate of your airsystem. Find a good one. The best one I have found isnt made anymore and will never be made anymore. The second best one I have played with isnt made anymore and will never be made anymore. The third best one I found is made by nazis.
    Did you hear about the new european weapons contracts? France is going to make the wooden sticks Spain making the little white flags

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    • hardr0ck68
      I miss Tom
      • Oct 2001
      • 783

      #17
      Originally posted by paint magnet
      Let me guess...Z valve?
      I was gonna guess that as well, but i dont think it worked for RT style on/offs. I could be wrong however. I would really like to pick up another couple of those, i loved mine.
      Tom was the last of a now extinct breed, a breed of players who build a community, a breed of owners who gave to the sport never taking more than what they deserved. I hope to see you at the feild again some day....

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      • WARPED1
        I'm a pirate, ARRRRRRRRRR!
        • Nov 2001
        • 7458

        #18
        Damn you and your Mac. But nice.
        [Something Cool is Here]

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        • hardr0ck68
          I miss Tom
          • Oct 2001
          • 783

          #19
          Originally posted by Butterfingers

          6) The most important thing is a high flowing airsystem. Reacitvity is not only affected by PSI but also by flow and recharge rate of your airsystem. Find a good one. The best one I have found isnt made anymore and will never be made anymore. The second best one I have played with isnt made anymore and will never be made anymore. The third best one I found is made by nazis.
          Ok we all know the one made by nazi's; cause yeah they have the patent on air. But can i guess as to the first 2?

          Armageddon
          and Apocolypse

          Im an AA fan so yeah i was all so thinking Flatline (i think those are out of production, but can still be bought new and there is no reason more cant be made) and i also wonder if you might be a legion Air fan....those old brit regs sure worked well, darned goofy threading makes them a dying breed however.
          Tom was the last of a now extinct breed, a breed of players who build a community, a breed of owners who gave to the sport never taking more than what they deserved. I hope to see you at the feild again some day....

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          • Butterfingers
            PhD in Automagology
            • Jan 2001
            • 2263

            #20
            Originally posted by hardr0ck68
            I was gonna guess that as well, but i dont think it worked for RT style on/offs. I could be wrong however. I would really like to pick up another couple of those, i loved mine.

            You can try that with the X-valve... the metal has been removed to mimic the dimensions of the .68 mag chamber and I assume it would fit. It wont fit the Original RT valves. Might be worth a shot for ish and giggles.
            Did you hear about the new european weapons contracts? France is going to make the wooden sticks Spain making the little white flags

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            • Butterfingers
              PhD in Automagology
              • Jan 2001
              • 2263

              #21
              Originally posted by WARPED1
              Damn you and your Mac. But nice.
              My mac? I have an IBM Thinkpad
              Did you hear about the new european weapons contracts? France is going to make the wooden sticks Spain making the little white flags

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              • Butterfingers
                PhD in Automagology
                • Jan 2001
                • 2263

                #22
                Originally posted by hardr0ck68
                Ok we all know the one made by nazi's; cause yeah they have the patent on air. But can i guess as to the first 2?

                Armageddon
                and Apocolypse

                Im an AA fan so yeah i was all so thinking Flatline (i think those are out of production, but can still be bought new and there is no reason more cant be made) and i also wonder if you might be a legion Air fan....those old brit regs sure worked well, darned goofy threading makes them a dying breed however.

                What tipped you off was it the Air America Logo on the gauge or was it the Big white letters on the reg itself?

                Actually there is one more that works better than the Maxi. My 10 year old AA Raptor works good too so that should be third and the nazireg in 4th.
                Did you hear about the new european weapons contracts? France is going to make the wooden sticks Spain making the little white flags

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                • hardr0ck68
                  I miss Tom
                  • Oct 2001
                  • 783

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Butterfingers
                  What tipped you off was it the Air America Logo on the gauge or was it the Big white letters on the reg itself?

                  Actually there is one more that works better than the Maxi. My 10 year old AA Raptor works good too so that should be third and the nazireg in 4th.

                  You know i looked at the reg body and was confused for a bit, i havent picked up one of those new fangled apoc's. how do you like it?(compared to say a geddon) I borrowed one of the old style ones back in the day and yeah, a 5lb regulator is not something you can get used to in one game or two.

                  The nice thing about the old ones thought, you could put one on a vm68 and it was sooo heavy that it would make the "kick" almost unnoticable.
                  Tom was the last of a now extinct breed, a breed of players who build a community, a breed of owners who gave to the sport never taking more than what they deserved. I hope to see you at the feild again some day....

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                  • Butterfingers
                    PhD in Automagology
                    • Jan 2001
                    • 2263

                    #24
                    Originally posted by hardr0ck68
                    You know i looked at the reg body and was confused for a bit, i havent picked up one of those new fangled apoc's. how do you like it?(compared to say a geddon) I borrowed one of the old style ones back in the day and yeah, a 5lb regulator is not something you can get used to in one game or two.

                    The nice thing about the old ones thought, you could put one on a vm68 and it was sooo heavy that it would make the "kick" almost unnoticable.
                    I like it alot, its lighter than the Raptor and id say its the same weight as the newest gen adjustble maxflow that I borrowed. They shaved ALOT of weight from the original steel brick. This reg and the Armegeddon are very comparable. I think the Armegeddon flows a little bit better but the apoc 2k has a little bit better recovery response.
                    Did you hear about the new european weapons contracts? France is going to make the wooden sticks Spain making the little white flags

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                    • wanna-b-ballin'
                      Pump Player
                      • Jan 2005
                      • 1380

                      #25
                      can you show us a vid when its run on about 1000 psi? my mag bounces like yours on 800 psi, so i'm curious.
                      upgrade fund: $145

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                      • Butterfingers
                        PhD in Automagology
                        • Jan 2001
                        • 2263

                        #26
                        Originally posted by wanna-b-ballin'
                        can you show us a vid when its run on about 1000 psi? my mag bounces like yours on 800 psi, so i'm curious.

                        I will as soon as I can get a scuba fill.
                        Did you hear about the new european weapons contracts? France is going to make the wooden sticks Spain making the little white flags

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                        • WARPED1
                          I'm a pirate, ARRRRRRRRRR!
                          • Nov 2001
                          • 7458

                          #27
                          Isn't the recommended input ~850?
                          [Something Cool is Here]

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                          • BigEvil
                            www.BigEvilOnline.com

                            • Feb 2005
                            • 9333

                            #28
                            Shortend on/off pin (very short)

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                            • UTDragun
                              Tennessee Paintvols
                              • Feb 2005
                              • 1052

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Butterfingers
                              What tipped you off was it the Air America Logo on the gauge or was it the Big white letters on the reg itself?

                              Actually there is one more that works better than the Maxi. My 10 year old AA Raptor works good too so that should be third and the nazireg in 4th.
                              I thought the Conquest was pretty sweet as well as dynaflow
                              embargo backwards = o grab me

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                              • Butterfingers
                                PhD in Automagology
                                • Jan 2001
                                • 2263

                                #30
                                Conquest wont output more than 600 psi. THe mag barely starts working at that pressure.

                                I have a centerflag adjustable reg it dosent like high pressures its not as reactive and the reg pins start creeping when you set them too high.
                                Did you hear about the new european weapons contracts? France is going to make the wooden sticks Spain making the little white flags

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