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  • minimag03
    WVU paintball #19
    • Dec 2003
    • 2214

    #31
    Originally posted by Butterfingers
    Ok I guess I can reveal all since there are no ethics in paintball anymore and somehow in the course of paintball history ramping to full auto is now allowed.... So heres some clues so you can pretty easily figure it out.

    1) Parts that are not made any more. There is a small diffrence in the internals of the current X-valve and the internals of the Old ReTro valve. It has to do with the On/Off chamber. The ReTro valve has one less 0-ring and is internally identical to the original RT. Some early production E-mag valves also have this feature. It is impossible to convert modern generation valves because the metal was milled away. This feature does not increase reacivity persay but it makes sure tolerances stay tight because it is alot harder to compress stainless steel than it is urethane.

    2) The quad-o-ring. You put it in the afformentioned chamber. Keep in mind that the first gen e-mag used a .725 pin (aluminum topped on/off) before switching to a .712. Try both with the 0-ring to see what works.

    3) The on-off pin. Centerflag used to ship a hyperstepped on/off pin with thier origninal hyperframes along with a smaller 0-ring. You can make your own out of a normal RT pin but its a pain in the arse and you need to find a super tight o-ring. Place these items in the original AGD RT on/off assy shaved to the appropriate length as mentioned above.

    4) A good trigger frame.

    5) Fulcrum point of the on/off assy. This does not need to be changed but it helps slightly. You will need to drill a hole for the trigger rod assy higher in the sear. You will need carbide bits. You will break steel bits, you will break cobalt bits, you will break titanium bits this thing is hard.

    6) The most important thing is a high flowing airsystem. Reacitvity is not only affected by PSI but also by flow and recharge rate of your airsystem. Find a good one. The best one I have found isnt made anymore and will never be made anymore. The second best one I have played with isnt made anymore and will never be made anymore. The third best one I found is made by nazis.
    Couldn't you get the same results with a stock on/off assembly and E-mag pin on any RT, Retro, Emag, or X-valve?
    My AO Feedback

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    • Butterfingers
      PhD in Automagology
      • Jan 2001
      • 2263

      #32
      Originally posted by minimag03
      Couldn't you get the same results with a stock on/off assembly and E-mag pin on any RT, Retro, Emag, or X-valve?
      If you put too short a pin in the stock on/off assembly the first time you pull the trigger it will leak down the barrel profusely. A shorter pin dosent help THAT much unless it was too long to begin with.

      You can do it without the centerflag pin. Thats the only part of the on/off assembly that was "modified" It will just take a little bit more finesse to get it going at that pressure.

      You could do the same thing with the X-valve but the Urethane o-ring that the on/off sits on will compress over time and screw with your tolerances a little bit. Ive done it with my X-valve but it works alot better with my Retro Valve because the entire on/off assy sits on stainless steel. The very soft quad-o-ring is surrounded by steel not another o-ring.

      Its more of a longetevity thing. The retro will fire like that all day long probably tens of thousands of cycles without skipping a beat or needing an 0-ring change. Ive emptied 5 scuba tanks on this valve so far without changing a single o-ring or needing to adjust anything.
      Last edited by Butterfingers; 01-19-2006, 11:20 PM.
      Did you hear about the new european weapons contracts? France is going to make the wooden sticks Spain making the little white flags

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      • UTDragun
        Tennessee Paintvols
        • Feb 2005
        • 1052

        #33
        Originally posted by Butterfingers
        Conquest wont output more than 600 psi. THe mag barely starts working at that pressure.

        I have a centerflag adjustable reg it dosent like high pressures its not as reactive and the reg pins start creeping when you set them too high.
        they do 650 which is what yours is set at lol, but they do have a wicked recharge rate.

        Ive seen people set theirs at ~1200 and had no creeping problems on the dynaflow

        what is a "fangled" apoc?


        Edit*
        I just read the thread over on pbn about flatlines and AA regs.
        So how come you dont put flatlines up on your list if their almost identical?
        /i.e. pros and cons of flatline

        edit2
        What about Guerilla Air regs. Isnt GA made up of ex-AA employees?
        Last edited by UTDragun; 01-20-2006, 12:46 PM.
        embargo backwards = o grab me

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        • Butterfingers
          PhD in Automagology
          • Jan 2001
          • 2263

          #34
          The only reason I didnt put the flatline up there is because I have not tested one extensively enough to draw a conclusion. For the Flatline 3k I did have I can say its not as good tom changed alot of things from the original design. However The 4.5k is supposed to be much better.

          I could run a conquest but then I would not have the option of cranking the sucker up to 900 and the gun wouldent be insane.

          Theres no reason to run a Hyper/dynaflow at 1200. It flows great its time to full recovery leaves somthing to be desired.

          At 850 the AA systems had better recovery response and reactivity than my hyperflow. The pressure literally snaps back instantaneously.
          Last edited by Butterfingers; 01-20-2006, 04:25 PM.
          Did you hear about the new european weapons contracts? France is going to make the wooden sticks Spain making the little white flags

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          • bunkerhugger
            www.SouthWestVooDoo.com
            • Mar 2002
            • 134

            #35
            Is this video still around somewhere? I'd be willing to host it if anyone has a copy.

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