Try to be unbiased and help me out

[Pyroboy597]

I know I am going to get flamed to the ground for saying this, but get an ion. ::Gets up and hides under a rock ::

[personman]

I know I am going to get flamed to the ground for saying this, but get an ion. ::Gets up and hides under a rock ::

ha, he's paranoid about electro guns breaking and you're telling him to get an ion... thats comedy right there :)

[GT]

If he has problems with levelX and a previously running just find trix, I would highly recomend a 98 custom(or whatever new tippy thing they make now). I thought you had to be *special* err.. *talented* to cause a mag not to run correctly, or a cocker.

[11 Bravo]

You can not use brittle paint in a Flatline. Other than that it is a great barrel and if you do break a ball you just run a squeegy down it (not a swab). Also the cyclone feeder is not a problem it is a great feeder up to about 18 bps. Also the cylcone feeders ratchet is designed to wear out at about 20,000 shots. So if people are having that problem they should have been prepaired and had another ratchet. It takes 5 minutes to replace. A5 s are great they are easier to take apart than a 98 and has a better feed system - unless the 98 has a Halo.
I would recomend the A5 with the Egrip w/WAS board. If he is stuck on getting the rt, I would go with the 98. The rt works better on the 98.

Opinions like the ones I have read on this thread about the A5 remind me of what probably happened to the reputation of Mags. People running around talking Krap about things that are not true and definately inacurate.


You have seen paint dripping out of Flatline barrels Have you never had paint dripping out of your barrel? Has that old Matrix never had paint dripping out of it?

Also an A5 or 98 is not going to weigh more than on old Martix - guaranteed.

[punkncat]

You can not use brittle paint in a Flatline.

So basically you can't use paint that will actually break on target , especially not at the extended range the flatline is known for

Other than that it is a great barrel and if you do break a ball you just run a squeegy down it (not a swab). Also the cyclone feeder is not a problem it is a great feeder up to about 18 bps. Also the cylcone feeders ratchet is designed to wear out at about 20,000 shots. So if people are having that problem they should have been prepaired and had another ratchet. It takes 5 minutes to replace. A5 s are great they are easier to take apart than a 98 and has a better feed system - unless the 98 has a Halo.
I would recomend the A5 with the Egrip w/WAS board. If he is stuck on getting the rt, I would go with the 98. The rt works better on the 98.

So in essense you say that for this application the 98 would be better

Opinions like the ones I have read on this thread about the A5 remind me of what probably happened to the reputation of Mags. People running around talking Krap about things that are not true and definately inacurate.

By no means have I said anything that I haven't observed with my own eyes. To be fair I play more speedball. I commonly see people using this marker for a purpose it wasn't really designed for.

You have seen paint dripping out of Flatline barrels Have you never had paint dripping out of your barrel? Has that old Matrix never had paint dripping out of it?

I have to admit, I have seen plenty to markers chop paint, even my own. To be fair at the cost of a FSDO the trix can be set up not to chop paint at all. About all I have seen out of his Trix was barrel break due to incorrect sizing until it just wore out.

Also an A5 or 98 is not going to weigh more than on old Martix - guaranteed.

I believe the 98 is lighter, but I would have to weigh the A5 against the Trix.

[11 Bravo]

NO normal paint breaks just fine at the long distance. The Flatline is not only for distance. It has a flat tragectory for longer than other barrels. This allows you to shoot gaps between limbs and things like that, that would normally not allow you to lob the ball.

And yes if he is stuck on an RT he should go with the 98 and a Halo.

[SniperSmurf]

I would highly recomend a 98 custom(or whatever new tippy thing they make now). I thought you had to be *special* err.. *talented* to cause a mag not to run correctly, or a cocker.

Yeah... "talented"...
The "new tippy thing" would be the C3. Sounds like it would be perfect for him!

[RRfireblade]

You are right. I love the 98's but have seen quite a few of the A5's giving problems in the field. The Cyclone drive mechanism seems prone to breaking.
Also very common to see barrel breaks which are nearly impossible to clean on field.

I disagree.

Cyclone works perfectly as designed. There was a short run of ratchets that were made too soft and wore somewhat prematurely (1-2 years of use...maybe) but it was a comparitively small number and rectified very quickly and easily and is no longer an issue.

Barrel breaks are no more comon than any other marker , perhaps even less so since the flatline barrel is excessively oversized in bore. Now it does require quality paint to maintain decent accuracy but that's pretty common across the board as well. And should paint get broken in it it does need to be thoroughly cleaned before continued use.

[GT]

Yeah... "talented"...
The "new tippy thing" would be the C3. Sounds like it would be perfect for him!

I just checked there website, I meant the custom pro. I knew they came out with some kind of uber 98, just wasnt sure what it was called.

[VFX_Fenix]

Cyclone works perfectly as designed. There was a short run of ratchets that were made too soft and wore somewhat prematurely (1-2 years of use...maybe) but it was a comparitively small number and rectified very quickly and easily and is no longer an issue.

Barrel breaks are no more comon than any other marker , perhaps even less so since the flatline barrel is excessively oversized in bore. Now it does require quality paint to maintain decent accuracy but that's pretty common across the board as well. And should paint get broken in it it does need to be thoroughly cleaned before continued use.

I've owned my A-5 basically from the day they were released and I've yet to come across a problem with it (even before the cyclone update was installed). Screw the tank in and run with it. Cyclone works as advertised, all around solid gun. The gun's solid, heavy, but solid.

Learning curve on the Flatline can be pretty steep, there are issues of paint to use, ideal velocities to chrono at, etc. that can be frustrating for people who just want it to work. Once it's figured out though, the Flatline's a peach. Paint of choice seems to be Evil or Marbs/All Star/Slam/etc. for the Flatline.

And for the record, my Mag has given me more headaches in the year-ish period I've owned it than my A-5 ever has.

[slade]

Cyclone works perfectly as designed. There was a short run of ratchets that were made too soft and wore somewhat prematurely (1-2 years of use...maybe) but it was a comparitively small number and rectified very quickly and easily and is no longer an issue.

my friend had one of those, he just called tippmann, gave them his address, and they sent him one. very good customer service.

[Cow hunter]

i realize why people see the cyclone as a blender, because it has a blender like function of spinning the wheel thing, and that looks like a blender....... and the cyclone is a good system, everyone on AO is just jealous......

[nippinout]

To be fair I play more speedball. I commonly see people using this marker for a purpose it wasn't really designed for.

For what purpose, besides sending paint downfield? Is it because Tippmanns are not used in the PSP or NPPL? The gun shoots paint just like any other gun. Owning a particular gun does not force you into any sort of special purpose use.

You have fallen for the hype and the marketing. If you are dead set on keeping him away from Tippmanns, you should fix the Matrix, or have it teched professionally.

[slade]

For what purpose, besides sending paint downfield? Is it because Tippmanns are not used in the PSP or NPPL? The gun shoots paint just like any other gun. Owning a particular gun does not force you into any sort of special purpose use.

You have fallen for the hype and the marketing. If you are dead set on keeping him away from Tippmanns, you should fix the Matrix, or have it teched professionally.

sure you can use a tippmann for speedball, but its a woodsball marker. A5s are home in the woods, theyre huge and cumbersome... and need i mention the cyclone feed and hopper? id take a spyder over a tippmann on a speedball field any day... unless maybe it was a C3 just for the hell of it

[nippinout]

sure you can use a tippmann for speedball, but its a woodsball marker. A5s are home in the woods, theyre huge and cumbersome... and need i mention the cyclone feed and hopper? id take a spyder over a tippmann on a speedball field any day... unless maybe it was a C3 just for the hell of it

Have you ever held an A-5? It is in no way 'huge and cumbersome'.