Paintball silencers.

[SlartyBartFast]

"quieter" yes mebe(sic), but not silent.

[coyote]

A sillencer doesn't make a gunshot silent. I doesn't eliminate the noise with a paintball shot either. Most barrels are plent quiet anyway.

[Jotsy]

i want to know, what barrel you are using?

[FinchMan]

it seems YOU didn't read the replies as it was stated that the ATF decided that even paintball silencers could be adapted to use with real firearms so they were banned. There is not a way to purposefully differentiate the two with a plethora of machinists around.

Moot point, especially since nothing will completely silence the sound without dropping velocity to unusable levels . Just buy a good barrel, learn fire control, and be done with it.

Yes, i have read the spec ops article, and all the replies. I never wanted to debate the legality of paintball silencers, or find the simple (most of the time less effective) solutions.

Its possible to get a license for silencers, but it cost 200$ and it includes a whole bunch of stuff paintballers dont need.

My original question was to see if there was a possibility someone could petition the ATF to make a liscence thats only for silencers, not all that other stuff. if it could cost less, then maybe woodsballers could afford it. Whether or not they would be paintball specific silencers or not, that was just an idea.

I would also like to see what barrel you're using.

[SlartyBartFast]

What barrel am I using? None in particular. Last mag I shot was a borrowed Minimag with a 14" smart parts barrel. Not "silent", but not much noise.

At AO Canada a number of the mags were VERY quiet.

Shorter barrels are louder and more inefficient.

[shartley]

[Muzikman]

I have two silencers for paintball. One just pushes on the end of the barrel and the other is a BOA Concealer. BOA got in big trouble by the ATF quite a few years ago.

[nate2k191]

im pretty sure silencers dont work that well on paintball guns because sound still comes out of the feedneck and other areas. however, when buried under my comforter and bed sheets, the marker is quite silent.

[geekwarrior]

"when buried under my comforter and bed sheets, the marker is quite silent"


hmmm....i don't think i want to know

[NoLifeLeft]

Anyone else notice that Smart Part stopped calling the upgraded front end for the SP-8 a Supressor Kit and is now naming it the Stealth Kit. It still does the same thing. Wonder what the ATF would think?

http://www.smartparts.com/Store/default.aspx?Prod={426FE0D5-465E-43ED-9035-6C32AA920C4A}

[warbeak2099]

Meh, paintball silencers aren't really effective enough to be worth it. The ones I've used have slowed the ball down and screwed up accuracy. That's probably because I tried them on 12-14" barrels and they were 5 or 6" long. I guess if you were using one on an 8 or 10" barrel, it might be ok. But when you add that much length onto a 12 or 14" barrel, you're gonna screw up performance.

[guru]

You guys that want a quiet shot just need to get an old school shocker with a glacier AT board. The board has a "sniper" mode on it that splits the bolt cycle into 2 phases, the fire then the recock. This greatly reduces the noise of the internals, which is where half of the noise of a shot comes from, and with a 16 in. all american, the gun is as quiet as any "silenced" gun from back in the day. And for what old shockers are going for these days, it is a fairly cheap option. Just a thought.

[NoForts4Me]

The silencers I remember people using (and the ones I made to experiment with) "back in the day" didn't ever really completely silence the markers. The just made a low, quiet "thump" noise that was very hard to localize in the woods.

Most people now days don't know what loud is. I'm still amazed at how quiet the markers are today. If you've ever played with a 68 Special and its 3lb hammer, you'll know what I mean. Sounded like a nail gun.

[siloseven]

oh yeah I remember the VM's the pro-lite's ect from not to long ago. it was a "klang" "Klang" sound and very loud and the "wap" of the AT's. but te classic mags are pretty silent. mine made a nice quiet thump sound and deadly accurate.

and technicaly, if you got a barrel with a good amount of porting on a low pressure operation then added Lapco's mok silencer, all the soft sounds were kept internl and is super quiet. since the hollow cylender of the mock silencer was over the porting, i pretty much acted like a muffler adn kept most the sound from goin gout wards.

there is a guy I played with on Kartoon Express who has the A-5 LP and the lapco kit and it is bairly noticable when fireing.

[VFX_Fenix]

im pretty sure silencers dont work that well on paintball guns because sound still comes out of the feedneck and other areas.

Generally speaking if you stuff a battel swab in your barrel, stick a hopper on the feedneck, and put something like... I dunno... Cotton in the thing (or just cover the feed neck with a small pillow, you'll have a reasonable idea of how much noise your gun will make while shooting paint. At least that's been my experience. Todays guns aren't loud, honestly, and some of THE best commercial supressors for real guns will only knock the top 30 dB off the top. That's like shooting your favorite gun with a pair of commonly avalible ear plugs. Even the BOA consealer's report change on a VM68 wasn't earthshattering, you'd get similar results with a long ported stepped barrel, like an 18" All American/Boomstick, which more or less slowly vents the expanding gasses rather than all in one sudden "pop".

Three sources of noise from anything that uses expanding gasses to shoot something are the same reguardless of what the actual mechanism is.

1) Expanding gasses - Either through burning of powder/gas or just releasing a burst of compressed gas into a system, this is the primary culprit when it comes to how noisy it's going to be.

Supressors work by giving these gasses places to go and equalize to ambient pressure through a serries of baffles and sound deadening materials. The overall effect is a loss in muzzle velocity (generally) of a projectile that travels through one of these things since the propellant gasses are effectively removed from the system so that when the projectile leaves the supressor the gasses behind it don't have much more expanding to do. You're mufler on your car works the same way though the mechanisms can be quite different. For our purposes porting is our "low tech" supression method. Porting works on real guns too, however such things are less than legal.

2) Projectile noise - That is, hypersonic projectiles or even subsonic projectiles make noise as they move through the air, it's unavoidable, and subsonic projectiles make much less noise than hypersonic projectiles because they don't have a sonic boom following them around.

Supressors also decrease muzzle velocity generally speaking. In paintball projectile noise isn't an issue, anyone who's heard paint flying overhead knows the sound and knows that it means there's paint, but where it came from, who knows.

3) Action noise - Hammers, Strikers, Sears, Bolts, etc. moving around and bashing into one another make noise, simple as that, end of story.

Supressors do absolutely nothing to help this, sorry, but you're Spyder fitted with THE most awesome supressor in the world will still make a "twang/ching" sound when you shoot it, but not to worry, generally action noise is difficult to hear outside of 5 feet anyway unless you're using a VM68 or other OOOOOOOOOOOOOLD blowback semi.


Anyway, entirely long, completely off topic, I'm sure SOMEONE already talked about most of it since I didn't read the thread (shame on me ), and the long and short of it, Silencers in Paintball aren't worth the time, effort or expense. While fakies make for good cosmetics, you'll be better off getting a high dollar stepped barrel.

Having a silencer permiently affixed to a barrel won't make the BATF happy because you can simply slide the barrel with perminently affixed silencer on it over an appropriately sized rifle barrel OR with a threaded adapter on said rifle.