Its old, it must not be good right?

[punkncat]

It really seems nowdays that many players seem to think that all electronic markers more than a few years old are complete junk. Especially anything without eyes. Not talking so much about resale, as it is pretty low on most used markers, but actually percieved capability of the older markers.

Has the modern marker with its eyes, ramping, fancy milling and LCD displays made older markers less effective at shooting paintballs? Are they deserving of the trashpile in spite of the fact that most can shoot as fast as a hopper can load...? that many are very dependable...?

How many can remember when an Imp was THE marker to own? Now you can hardly give one away.
How about a Trix? The Bushmaster?


I saw a really nice older marker come through the shop the other day. It was priced well below what it was worth. Not a single person would even look at it cause it was "old junk". Totally got poo-pooed. For the price it could easily have been purchased, added a good tank, barrel and loader, and had a much better marker than anything available for the price. One that has stood up to everything thats been handed to it all these years and still works as well as ever.

Will people see this type of lasting quality with most of what is being put out today?

I bet not.

[Alpha]

I know I wont bro.

[REDRT]

It really seems nowdays that many players seem to think that all electronic markers more than a few years old are complete junk.

If it isn't Emag/xmag in a few years most are junk if not from the factory. Go ahead strike the die hard mag guy down now.

[WARPED1]

It's the software. Old software, like non rampers, are pretty useless to the tourney guys. I myself have a DM3 with stock board, Gun20 chip, it's fine for me. I have a few stock Tribals laying around, love those too.

[punkncat]

If it isn't Emag/xmag in a few years most are junk if not from the factory. Go ahead strike the die hard mag guy down now.

Thats almost the bias I am talking about.

"Oh its not a ______ so it suxorz."

Easy to overlook a lot of really good equipment thinking like that.

[geekwarrior]

i still have my ole f4 illustrator that i use on the rare occasion. actually i have 2 of them. never chopped paint, never broke down. I have one converted to look like a sniper rifle, the other an m4....they both look pretty real.

[punkncat]

As a good example...

I picked up an 04 Angel Speed for a steal because a guy was convinced he needed a ramping marker. I actually gave a marker that I had less than $100 in and a board I spent $100 on for the marker, a tank, and a barrel set...in addition to many extra parts.

I took a few weeks to tune the marker, get used to using it, and learning to use a Reloader B with good batteries. I use this marker every weekend to scrimmage with players who play rookie class in PSP and CFOA. I get my fair share of eliminations. Not a single player there would say I was at a disadvantage because of it.

Is there such a difference in between my marker and theirs that make it worth the extra $500 to $1100 they spent for theirs?

[11 Bravo]

Is there such a difference in between my marker and theirs that make it worth the extra $500 to $1100 they spent for theirs?

Absolutely not. Except for the ramping software and that is easily fixed with the purchase of a new board or chip.

[guru]

Generally, I don't see a lot of difference is markers in the past 2 years. Once eyes were available on everything, that was pretty much the last major improvement in paintball guns. Over the past couple of years, guns have not improved cycling speed significantly, accuracy, weight has improved a little but not much, dependabilty, or even speed (yea I said it!)

Mostly I believe people feel like they have to have the newest thing because it is cool, just like fashion people need to impress other w/ how much they can drop on a gun. Others actually think because it is new it is better (I would guess that these are players that have been playing <2 years), and others just like having a new gun. I myself fall into the latter group. I have never owned a gun that is worth more than 500 dollars, but I love trying different guns out.

[REDRT]

Thats almost the bias I am talking about.

"Oh its not a ______ so it suxorz."

Easy to overlook a lot of really good equipment thinking like that.

Maybe so, but even back in the hay day of AGD not a lot of E/Xmag owners sitting around at the store waiting for it to be fixed. I hang out at the store now and it seems every single marker has some kind of melt down every other week. IMPs, Ions, angels, timmies, matrix, shockers, DM/PM's ect. You name it, old or new they need extra special care or they are junk. Not build for the long haul. Most are very delicate on the inside. One oops and it is broke. I'd like to see that Samsonite Gorilla just go to town on every Emarker. In the end from what I see I'd bet on AGD.

[anomoly40]

We had a lot of "meltdowns" weekend before last. We were playing a few scrimmage games with a lot of the tourney people(I'm fairly new at the tourney scene, and I just started working at the pro-shop), nearly every marker went down. I'm talking an Angel A4 Fly went down because it had a nasty barrel break that goo'd up the eyes, Another Angel went down because of a loose wire. We had a 06 Proto that was acting wierd out of the box. We had a Kid with a Ego shooting with a Revvy and he would chop every game, so bad he called himself out for it several times. The only guns that didn't have problems were my mag (a 68 classic), the field owners mag( a hyperframe Ule) and two Ions(don't know how that happened!). I can't see why someone would spend $800+ dollars on something that isn't for sure to work when you need it. I got VERY tired of playing one game the breaking for 20-30 minutes to tech on guns. THESE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE HIGH END!

[tyrion2323]

If it isn't Emag/xmag in a few years most are junk if not from the factory. Go ahead strike the die hard mag guy down now.

I'm confused as to why you're taking a thread about public opinion regarding older guns and turning it into a pro-mag martyr mission...



As for older guns, I absolutely adore my 04 Freestyle. I'd love to have one of the FS7s or FS8s, mainyl because of the better software, MUCH better efficiency, and overal improved performance; however, that doesn't mean I feel that I'm at a disadvantage because I shoot an "older" marker. It's hella-fast, small, light, and I LOVE it.

[Vex]

I'm confused as to why you're taking a thread about public opinion regarding older guns and turning it into a pro-mag martyr mission...

Because it's his opinion.

[WARPED1]

Because it's his opinion.

Opinions are like buttholes, we all have them, and sometimes they stink................

[camilion705]

Old guns shoot pretty much exactly as they did years ago, but the main differences come from looks, weight, length, etc...

The Intimidator, for example, back when it first came out was a massive, long, tall, heavy, piece of not quite refined paintball technology. Now today the Intimidator series of markers is one of the smallest, lightest guns around. They shoot pretty much exactly the same, but the newer one is better simply because it is lighter, smaller, etc.

The Matrix came out as a huge boat of a gun with poor efficiency, but a new an innovative bolt design. Now the DM series improved the Matrix design and made a smaller package that is also lighter and more efficient (stock). However I can say for a fact that my LED Trix shot just as well and just as fast as my buddy's DM4... The DM series though is better than the orginal Trixes because of the size improvements.

So its not so much that the guns now shoot "better," but are easier to shoot with and run with etc, because they have shaved some pounds and become more compact.