Its old, it must not be good right?

[Recon by Fire]

The longer I stay involved in painball the more I find myself liking vintage markers better.

[Vex]

Opinions are like buttholes, we all have them, and sometimes they stink................

But it's his opinion, and you can't take that away. Neener neener neener!

[punkncat]

The longer I stay involved in painball the more I find myself liking vintage markers better.

I third that.


I get to thinking though that maybe its not the older markers I like so much, but the sytle of play they represent?

[RRfireblade]

I think your confusing 'desire' with percieved functionality and practicality.

Oh , and your must also be basing this on the internet alone.

Kids 'want' the latest newest thing cause it's 'cool'.

Kids aren't willing to pay much for the older stuff cause the new stuff comes out with more features for the same or less price than the older stuff sold for new.

And IMO , at the field and in real life...most of that is not true. The vast majority of the local players and walk-on don't know the difference between V. 116.xx and V 127.xx Software nor do they care.

At least in my experience. I get just as many oohs and ahhs at the local fields whether I pull a DM6 from the bag or an old Timmy. In fact this last sunday some kid with a Drenny Imp was attracting a ton of attention.

For what that's worth.

[Arstron]

As for older guns, I absolutely adore my 04 Freestyle. I'd love to have one of the FS7s or FS8s, mainyl because of the better software, MUCH better efficiency, and overal improved performance; however, that doesn't mean I feel that I'm at a disadvantage because I shoot an "older" marker. It's hella-fast, small, light, and I LOVE it.

I agree, although I still dont consider an 04 to be "old." A 04 freestyle is diffrent then an 04 in most markers though, there actualy was a ton of advancements to the freestyles between the stock 04 and the 05 and im sure the fs-8 will be a little bit better still. Although who really needs 1500-2000 shots off of a 45/4500.

I think most peoples biggest concerns when looking at used older electronic markers is what condition the electronics are in. Most people are woried that the electronics are bad and thats why the person is selling it. If you buy new, you know it will work great for awhile. True it usualy doesnt take much to fix them, but I know several people that think that way, or atleast its their excuse to spend to much on a new marker.

[etjoyride]

Even though i see a lot of people around here with the latest and greatest, i myself never have it....I always lag a few years behind, Right now i have an A4fly (witohut ramping or anything) although its possible i'm going to be trading for a DM4

[SummaryJudgement]

I really like buying great guns at crazy prices because other people don't appreciate them

[Aslan]

Amen

I really like buying great guns at crazy prices because other people don't appreciate them

I've never bought a new gun. The newest gun I ever bought was a Prodigy E-Grip...my only electronic marker. I hate electros...they've ruined the sport in my OPINION. And it's not just me...a friend of mine was telling me last week that the best time he ever had playing paintball was with Brass Eagle pumps and Stingrays in my friends large backyard.

There were no attitudes...no Agg...no people trying to dominate newbs with their Shockers or Timmys...no ex-military with A-5s having nam flashbacks...no wiping, no cheating... I know you can't go back in time and I'm not trying to say we should all just use Brass Eagle products ...I'm just saying that this attitude of, "his gun doesn't have eyes so it must be junk" is simply rediculous.

So far, early in my Mag owning career, I've been nothing but amazed by the quality of that marker. And as for history...I've used to use a very old mechanical Spyder (pre-2000) as my primary marker and did very well in woodsball as well as airball. My friend borrowed my old Pro-Lite and did better than he'd ever done last time we played.

Now, can I compete in tournaments with a mechanical Mag up against ramping DM-5s? Probably not. When someone shoots 3 balls to every one of yours...it give them alot of options as far as being able to move around and pin you down. But I've never played at the amateur level and don't plan to so I don't need to worry about that.

One prime example of old guns getting a bad wrap is the mech cocker. 5 years ago, Cockers were considered the best of the best...my friends and I use to look at them and dream about how cool it would be to have one (to replace our stingrays!). Recently, I bought a 2k (or 2003...I can't tell...don't know alot about cockers...it's a project gun) autococker for $27. Are cockers that bad now? I don't think so.

Anyways, I own old guns...and I love them!

[Lohman446]

Electros are not responsible for the attitude in paintball.

[WARPED1]

Old guns shoot pretty much exactly as they did years ago, but the main differences come from looks, weight, length, etc...

The Intimidator, for example, back when it first came out was a massive, long, tall, heavy, piece of not quite refined paintball technology. Now today the Intimidator series of markers is one of the smallest, lightest guns around. They shoot pretty much exactly the same, but the newer one is better simply because it is lighter, smaller, etc.

The Matrix came out as a huge boat of a gun with poor efficiency, but a new an innovative bolt design. Now the DM series improved the Matrix design and made a smaller package that is also lighter and more efficient (stock). However I can say for a fact that my LED Trix shot just as well and just as fast as my buddy's DM4... The DM series though is better than the orginal Trixes because of the size improvements.

So its not so much that the guns now shoot "better," but are easier to shoot with and run with etc, because they have shaved some pounds and become more compact.

QFT. Well said, and I concur..........

[Lohman446]

I think you are for the most part overstating several ounces into a few pounds, and a few milimeters here and there for inches. With the exception of the Shoebox to 03 Shocker I just don't see the massive amount of difference.

[FARMER00]

im not a big fan of eyes they slow the gun too much. I'd rather spend money to buy a really good Anti Chop bolt

[Lohman446]

im not a big fan of eyes they slow the gun too much. I'd rather spend money to buy a really good Anti Chop bolt

WHAT? What eyes have you actually experienced slowing down a marker aside from actually preventing chops?

[68magOwner]

WHAT? What eyes have you actually experienced slowing down a marker aside from actually preventing chops?

about to post the same thing, eyes dont slow a marker down in the least.

Anyway, yeah, i really probably wouldnt shoot anything without eyes in a tournament. Just because its silly to risk chops, and eyes are more pro-active than "a good anti-chop bolt" id rather my marker not hit the ball in the first place than have to "chuff" it.

[Lohman446]

about to post the same thing, eyes dont slow a marker down in the least.

Anyway, yeah, i really probably wouldnt shoot anything without eyes in a tournament. Just because its silly to risk chops, and eyes are more pro-active than "a good anti-chop bolt" id rather my marker not hit the ball in the first place than have to "chuff" it.

Eyes - see ball and fire within miliseconds (no way you are noticing a problem here with a decent marker)

Anti-chop bolt - when you pull the trigger bolt moves forward, if it hits/pinches a ball it either resets itself or takes another pull to reset. Takes more miliseconds

I don't understand how someone truly beleives that an ACB is quicker than eyes.