Just answer the damn poll

[RRfireblade]

Just one quick find. It's no secret that Tom doesn't have a Million in disposable income and if he could get it , he's not going to risk it on paintball.

You know these are all good ideas but there is just too many hurtles to get over. Licensing, research and development investment, cost of parts, marketing dollars and at the end of the day there needs to be a profit so you can do it all again.

The margins in paintball are not high enough at the small manufacturer level to make this happen with its own dollars. It would take a multi million dollar infusion to get back in the game. The other option is to have a runaway product hit (like the I-Pod) that puts you back in the action. We tried this with several things like LV10 and Warp Feed which didn't have the required effect.

We are still trying to link up with a big money partner that can make things happen. This is not an easy or fast process especially given what's going on in paintball. AGD thanks you for your support and I wanted to let you know personally that while we are still just simmering in the pot I am still trying to make things happen.

Thanks,

AGD

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[Baby Huey]

what was this thread about again? Very funny stuff though. Good night and God Bless.

[tyrion2323]

gah, another friggin battle of the egos.

lame.

[Jotsy]

back to the original question, i would, but only in a couple of years when i actually have a job

[ZEROte]

i said negatory. agd went the way of the dinosaur and didnt want to evolve to survive. if only when things were going good for them they took some risks they might have gotten something accomplished. if you dont take risks though youll never know what youll achieve.

and what are the chances that if someone made a board for their new e gun, that they will back like all those other products they backed (and didnt void waranty)? oh wait through the years every aftermarket part voided waranty.

[GT]

gah, another friggin battle of the egos.

lame.

Nope, Its the differnce bewteen someone who knows and someone who doesn't; one who is deeply invested and another who is not.

Honestly I think the high end marker is a bad idea. How about an all allunimum version of the classic mag in four different colors? Maybe red, clear, blue and black. Sell them for 300 msrp and map at 250-275.

Get into a market that most companies are not; low end guns that are high quality in a number of different colors. Offer a litany of different upgrade paths for tourny or scernerio.

[slade]

Nope, Its the differnce bewteen someone who knows and someone who doesn't; one who is deeply invested and another who is not.

Honestly I think the high end marker is a bad idea. How about an all allunimum version of the classic mag in four different colors? Maybe red, clear, blue and black. Sell them for 300 msrp and map at 250-275.

Get into a market that most companies are not; low end guns that are high quality in a number of different colors. Offer a litany of different upgrade paths for tourny or scernerio.

it wont happen. you cant just throw out a number and say "lets make a mag to sell for $XXX", it depends on the cost of the parts, machining time, and the other hundreds of expenses. classic valves arent that much less expensive to machine than x-valves. mags require very high tolerances and quality materials, and AGD isnt likely to turn out a product lacking in quality. its not like a blowback which doesnt require great tolerances.

[Aslan]

Nope, Its the differnce bewteen someone who knows and someone who doesn't; one who is deeply invested and another who is not.

Honestly I think the high end marker is a bad idea. How about an all allunimum version of the classic mag in four different colors? Maybe red, clear, blue and black. Sell them for 300 msrp and map at 250-275.

Get into a market that most companies are not; low end guns that are high quality in a number of different colors. Offer a litany of different upgrade paths for tourny or scernerio.

He does have a point. That point is, there is yet to be a company that has cornered the market on low-end guns that are high quality. Tippmann has pretty much been the only one. I would love to see someone come along that would force companies like BE or VL to either make better markers or get out of the way.

But, Slade is probably right...quality costs more to make...trying to force BE and VL out of the way is going to be tough given their huge pocketbook and distribution.

But just think about it. How good for the sport would it be if a kid could go to Wal Mart and buy a very basic Mag for $100. It would be quality and easy to maintain. AGD could then make like 250 accessories for it to make the real money. It's a thougt...

[GT]

it wont happen. you cant just throw out a number and say "lets make a mag to sell for $XXX", it depends on the cost of the parts, machining time, and the other hundreds of expenses.

Wait a second. Companies do this all the time. You sit down and attempt to forecast sales and determine your costs. If your lucky you come out on top. Of course there are hundreds of line item expenses, that is how the buisness world works.

Sometimes I don't get AO. You would rather sit back and allow things to remain status quo? Lets do some thangs, shake **** up! Atleast that is what AGD did in the past...

But, Slade is probably right...quality costs more to make.

You right, however there has to be an excellent marketing push. Let the consumers know how good the prodcuts are and tehy will buy. Lets be honest, how many piece of crap markers to consumer buy every year? Its about time they have an alternative.

[slade]

Wait a second. Companies do this all the time. You sit down and attempt to forecast sales and determine your costs. If your lucky you come out on top. Of course there are hundreds of line item expenses, that is how the buisness world works.

Sometimes I don't get AO. You would rather sit back and allow things to remain status quo? Lets do some thangs, shake **** up! Atleast that is what AGD did in the past...

companies think things through, analyze the production costs vs. MSRP and potential market, etc. what people on this forum are doing is saying "make an aluminum classic mag for $300". it cant be done. there is a limit to how much costs can be cut, and mags require higher quality material and much tighter tolerances than the cheap markers on the market, like blowbacks.

[m-a-r-k-7]

It kinda depends. It it were just another spool valve/electro penumatic/ et cetera then no, odds are I wouldn't. If it wasn't better than an 06 borg, quest, or any other gun in tha price range, I wouldn't get it, simple as that.


Edit: I think we're all thinking about this the wrong way. With the new interest in stock class playing AGD should bring back the pump kit, and sell pre-milled rails. As well as special stock class feeds. Pump kit on a sydarm would be pretty cool too. But my biggest dream for AGD is for them to come out with a ULE'd, X-valved, ULT'd sydarm. I know its totally impractical and only four people would buy them... but I would be one of those four.


GT also raises a good point. The pro classic kind of tried to do this, but coming in only black, and being a single triggered mech kind of turned new players off of it.


The tach-one was a step in teh right direction. As of now tippmann pretty much owns mil-sim scenairos. Why can't it be the mag? When I think about what kind of qualities I would want in a scenario gun the mag has them all.

[REDRT]

For some reason I thought this poll was, "Would you buy a new Emag from AGD". I guess I just seen what I wanted see. I must have mad cow. Anyway I voted negatory and that still stands I guess. I was plenty happy with the RT. I didn't want/need the Emag till after the X's were being disc. My first impression of the Xmag was that it was ugly. It has grown on me since then, but I like emags on down the best. Now I find myself going backwards I just bought a Minimag and I'm truely thinking about a pump. If AGD made a new super marker I'd most likely end up with one someday used maybe, but all the ones before hand are already super in my eyes. I'm not one to jump the gun and buy right away.