are pump guns more accurate?

[JOESPUD27]

I responded to whoever PM'd me...

Jay

P.S. It's late, OK, I forgot...

[bentothejam1n]

i rather just post the question in a forum, looks like i got the responses i wanted.
keep the smart a$$ comments at a rest, thanks.

Do not try to circumvent the cuss filters by using spaces or other characters

i think some one needs to calm down and stop making smart remarks . If you take the time to search you will find a lot of posts pertaining to the accuracy of pump and semi guns.
Example a
http://automags.org/forums/showthrea...=pump+accuracy
example b
http://automags.org/forums/showthrea...=pump+accuracy
example c
http://automags.org/forums/showthrea...=pump+accuracy
I could go on but I dont want to be a smart , now do I??
Now i'm not saying that posting is bad just use the search button
/wheres behemoth when you need him??

[usagi_tetsu]

Video for the doubters:
Show 29 - Are pump guns more accuracy?
Show 28 - Accuracy Techniques

Those two pretty much sum it all up: pump markers are not more accurate than semi's. They players who use them tend to be more accurate because they tend to hold the markers in appropriate, stable stances when firing, and as they are usually at a ROF deficit, pump players tend to make as many shots count to level the playing field.

As for the other major question: can pump players compete with semi's? If they've got the skill, yes. I'm a decent Novice player and have had my buttocks handed to me by guys playing stock class against my rapid-fire paintflingers.

[BTAutoMag]

wow way to research this topic nycity

took the words out of my mouth

[ThePixelGuru]

Depends on the pump. A Sniper should have just as much kick firing as a Cocker (i.e. The kick caused by the ball leaving the barrel.) because the re-cocking mechanism is not part of the firing sequence.

An open bolt marker could potentially have less kick if the bolt slamming forward cancelled the kick caused by the ball leaving the barrel. Unless it has no cancelling effect moving forward and the bolt moving back only serves to amplify the force created by the ball leaving the barrel.

Or I guess I could have no idea what I'm talking about as well...

No, you're on the right track. Most semis are open bolt while almost all pumps are closed bolt. Some people will tell you that closed bolt is inherently more accurate, but there's no evidence to support that. WARPIG even did a test about open- vs. closed-bolt and found no difference in accuracy.

Still, all markers will have kick, and you can't "cancel it out." The hammer getting pushed around a 'cocker, the bolt popping forward in a 'mag - it all goes back and forth, but it's not like it's cancelled somehow because they make the equal forward and backward motions. That back-and-forth motion is responsible for some of the "kick" markers have when you fire. Anything moving around will make the marker feel like it's trying to move in your hands, and it's not really possible to cancel it all out. Unless you have a fully air-powered marker like the Nova... Still get some kick from the ball leaving the barrel, though.

[Duzzy]

Well, I guess I'm not a complete idiot.

[PumpPlayer]

Define accuracy.

Being able to put the ball on what you are aiming at with the first shot would be my deffinition. There are a number of things that lead into that ability including the stability of your shooting platform, how you aim, IF you aim and familiarity with the marker among other things.

Most people need to use two hands to cock and fire a pump. Most people are inclined to simply leave both hands on the marker. That right there adds "accuracy".
Without the advantage of firepower, you are more inclined to make your shots count. You are more likely to aim and thus, more likely to hit.

With a good barrel, good paint, a steady platform and a touch of patience, any marker can be "accurate".


A big reason for me why I'm more accurate with a pump (esp. stock class) than a semi- is because I don't have to worry about a hopper sticking out. I can adapt to a shooting stance that is more comfortable without having to worry so much about creating a small profile. A more comfortable shooting position just adds a tremendous ammount of accuracy.

[Aslan]

yup

I used to think pumps were more accurate...but it really is about taking your time to shoot.

Pumps are fun...I disagree with the people that go on and on about how they play pump and can light the world on fire against a team of semis, blah, blah, blah... I actually think playing pump does put you at a disadvantage...but I don't mind that.

I played pump a couple weekends ago. Got two kills in two games. Gogged a guy on a snap shot...then pegged a guy in the head in the other game.

Nice thing about pumps is you don't tend to bonus ball anybody...unless you really, really try