Does this make sense to anyone?

[Automaggot68]

It's real, it's in my PGI and Facefull.

[psychowarden]

I have actually seen one of these and shot one. I wasnt too impressed. Sure, it shot like many other guns, but the construction felt very cheap.

[RoadDawg]

Features:

Lightweight unibody design
Closed bolt accuracy
Air efficient operation
Angled bottom-line
Vertical air receiver
Nickel aluminum bolt
Anodized finish
Velocity adjuster
Improved integrated 3-way, no front block!
High performance low pressure regulator
Pull-pin
Micro polished ram
Push button safety
Preset nickel inline regulator
Wrap around grips
14 inch ported barrel
Single trigger
Select Fire model - Semi auto, Full auto, Ramping mode, Demo mode, and 3 shot burst.

Enough said.... :)

[NoLifeLeft]

Hope they left room for the elves.

[personman]

what we know: it has what looks like a mechanical 3-way, and the LP air line goes both to the 3-way and into the frame. my guess would be that inside the frame there is an electropneumatic solenoid that drives a piston to control the mech 3-way, removing the need for an external solenoid on the front block... how they managed to fit that in the frame, well, that must have taken a bit of work.

Well thats a possibility but it seems kind of pointless if you ask me... either way you're going to have an electropneumatic solenoid so whats the point of having the 3way if you already have one? It would be more expensive and less practical.

It looks to me like its just an eblade with a 3/way instead of the solenoid. The pull is probably a little longer but it wouldnt be bad i would think

[SlartyBartFast]

Well thats a possibility but it seems kind of pointless if you ask me...

Well, single 3-way pneumatic solenoid and a piston is cheaper and far less complicated than a mechanical solenoid for the sear and a 4-way for the front block.

Hardly seems "pointless".

The only "drawback" is that the timing is then only mechanical and not programmable.

[Dees_Troy]

LPR pressure could be used to move the 3-way and/or release the sear. Of the 2, the sear requires far more force to release. I could see them using a 2-way (not a 3-way) to release the sear and a regular solenoid without LPR pressure to move the 3-way with spring return to simplify operation. As mentioned, the LPR pressure could be used to move both the sear and the 3-way.

This grip cannot have the 3-way operate from the trigger pull itself like a regular mechanical cocker. If mechanical operation like this was involved, then ramping, 3-shot burst, and full auto would not be possible.

Some form of timing is required to make the whole closed bolt action happen. The sear and 3-way have to operate independantly. In keeping with the way Trilogies are made, the timing is probably not adjustable just like the pre-set LPR. T-board anyone?

[SlartyBartFast]

LPR pressure could be used to move the 3-way and/or release the sear. Of the 2, the sear requires far more force to release. I could see them using a 2-way (not a 3-way) to release the sear and a regular solenoid without LPR pressure to move the 3-way with spring return to simplify operation. As mentioned, the LPR pressure could be used to move both the sear and the 3-way.

Remeber that an Autococker 3-way is actually a 4-way. So in proper pneumatic terminology, your "correction" above is wrong. A 2-way solenoid is only of use if some other form of venting is supplied. A 2-way is simply an on/off valve an input and an ouput. No exhaust.

I don't understand why you think more than one solenoid is required or can't operate the sear and the 4-way ("3-way"). All you have to do is replace trigger actuation with piston/plunger operation.

Just like all the electro-pneumatic mag conversions.

[Dees_Troy]

Remeber that an Autococker 3-way is actually a 4-way. So in proper pneumatic terminology, your "correction" above is wrong. A 2-way solenoid is only of use if some other form of venting is supplied. A 2-way is simply an on/off valve an input and an ouput. No exhaust.

I don't understand why you think more than one solenoid is required or can't operate the sear and the 4-way ("3-way"). All you have to do is replace trigger actuation with piston/plunger operation.

Just like all the electro-pneumatic mag conversions.

I am trying to use terms that everyone is familiar with. Technically what most people refer to as a 3-way on an autococker is really a 4-way as you say, but as soon as I call it a 4-way, most people look confused. Thusly, the 2-way that I referred to is really a 3-way and the 3-way that I referred to is really a 4-way. So now we have a 3-way in the grip frame moving the 3-way that's really a 4-way that some people also call a 5-way (because, in all actuality, what we commonly refer to as the 3-way has 1 input and 2 outputs with the 2 outputs doubling as an exhaust port which comes out to 1 input +2 outputs +2 exhausts = 5-way). Have we sufficienty made this clear as mud now?

The reason that cockers require timing is simply that you have different events that must occur in the proper sequence. I suppose it would be possible to have a 2-way (really a 3-way) along with a spring returned ram to replace what was once the work done by a human pulling a slide trigger in the old-school autocockers before all of this electronic gadgetry came to be.

Mostly, I am just trying to point out that:
1) there is a T fitting on the 3-way (that's really a 4-way or 5-way) that is important to note
2) the 3-way (that's really a 4-way or 5-way) cannot be operated by the user pulling the trigger due to the ramping, burst, and full auto modes
3) that the "eye cover" very likely is not be covering an eye

[Lohman446]

hmm interesting..... i see an eye cover, yet it still only has a mechanical 3-way.... so i guess only the sear tripper is electronic? it would be slightly faster than a pure mech... but still... what would the point of the eye be?

unless they developed a new system where a single solenoid trips both the sear and the 3-way mechanically.... which i guess would be possible considering the suspiciously big bulge in the grips

The sandridge F5 is much faster than a mechanical, I would argue as fast as an E-blade, and I beleive it still uses a mechanical three way.

[MoeMag]

Hey there,
I just got in from my local shop and they have one of those new cockers.
Yes, it has break beam eyes, and yes the frame on it is available for other cockers. They had the frame by itself for $149. One of the hoses from the 3-way thingy does go and meet up underneath the eye cover and go into the frame. It actually feels well made to me, the only thing is that it had a spring microswitch on the trigger that wasn't quite to my liking. Unfortunately the guys at the shop have not broken one open to see how it works, and they were not about to let me. One of the guys said he shot one last weekend and actually really liked it (this is coming from a guy who has around 40 guns of all types, and he is the one I bought my e-mag from so I trust his opinion). The other guy that works there that is my really good friend is getting one in about a week just to see how it shoots, and he said I could play a game or two with it so I will keep yall updated.

EDIT: The store owner claimed that that cocker is the reason for SP recent price drop on the ION.

[Dark Frost17]

i have been looking to see one in person but no luck here so far in fl....
i would buy it over a ion....

[jenarelJAM]

Features:

Lightweight unibody design
Closed bolt accuracy
Air efficient operation
Angled bottom-line
Vertical air receiver
Nickel aluminum bolt
Anodized finish
Velocity adjuster
Improved integrated 3-way, no front block!
High performance low pressure regulator
Pull-pin
Micro polished ram
Push button safety
Preset nickel inline regulator
Wrap around grips
14 inch ported barrel
Single trigger
Select Fire model - Semi auto, Full auto, Ramping mode, Demo mode, and 3 shot burst.

Enough said.... :)

Indeed, I noticed that too...

I also noticed a typo, its in red, and I'm puzzled over why they aren't advertizing the eyes. If this is what WGP released to compete with the Ion, why are they not hyping it? or is it just too soon and I'll hear all about it a week from now? I just don't get why they wouldn't mention the eyes though; most people who will look at it won't blow up the picture and notice the eye covers, and even if they do, since it doesn't mention eyes anywhere, they won't know if it really has them.

[tyrion2323]

I think it may be some sort of Hyperframe hybrid. Sear tripper, but with vision. I mean you could probably buy one of those, have someone do a halfblock conversion for a hundred bucks, and then sell it for $500

I highly doubt anyone would spend $500 on a modified KTUSA WGP Trilogy, no offense.

[sanity]

meh.....all that tubing just wrapped around the outside of the 3-way like that .....looks like its attached with black twist ties....gotta be a cleaner way to do it.

imo it looks like it got thrown together in a hurry.