All you "ultimate scenario ballers"....

[punkncat]

I dunno maybe I just don't get it.

All these new scenario markers made to carry more and more equipment, that really does nothing but make it look really cool.....and weight tremendous amounts.

Has everyone forgotten that you will be carrying this thing around in the woods for hours on end?

That all that really groovy looking, but generally otherwise useless, stuff will catch on every vine and limb in the woods?


I've been playing scenarios for years and I look for something dull colored, light, and good on air, and mostly just light.

So now the tac warp in available. I can't imagine anything looking any cooler that this could look, but you are going to take an already heavy item with all the tac gear and then add something that weights another pound AND more to snag, catch, and drag through the bushes.

[Jaan]

Well, I know what you mean ... for a goof I've mounted a flashlight, laser sight, red dot sight, and 4x scope on my mag before (at the same time). I used the .22 sight rails which were part of the classic rails. I was trying to make a bit of a futuristic overkill scenario gun and I was going to but a plastic toy blaster rifle and put the mag inside ... and it occurred to me that what I already had is what you would actually design, something as simple and clean as possible. Like the old joke about the difference between a pessimist, and optimist and an engineer. One looks at the glass as being half empty, the other half full ... and the engineer says "the glass is twice as big as it needs to be."

However, I grew up in a time before paintball where my friends and I would play man hunt in the woods all the time. We loved dressing up in camo and buying the most realistic looking cap guns we could find. We were playing army. It was pretend. The fun was in that, not actually how many "kills" you scored. It was all about the imagination. We weren't a bunch of goofy kids running around going bang bang, we were out saving the world from the Nazi's, Darth Vader, Tom Cruise, whatever. In our minds the future of the world depended on us.

[ultralight]

i know exactly what you mean. my favorite obscenely large and useless "tactical" marker mod is this one. barrett

i don't think i've ever seen anything more ridiculous. except maybe that double A-5 fire-it-with-a-crank monstrosity.

this is my favorite part:

"M82A1 Shroud Features: Light-weight steel construction (less than 2 lbs)
M82A1 Gas Thru Mag Features: Made from Solid Steel ... Weighs under 2 pounds "

so... this thing, all together, weighs about 4 lbs, and that's not including the weight of the marker or paint in the hopper. great!!!!

[MoeMag]

We have one just like that in the shop, right next to the longbow mag and under the nerf football rpg's.

I play tactical woods ball about as much as air ball, and I think all that stuff is really cool but the only thing that I really do appreciate is a red dot sight and a sling. I actually think red dots are worth their weight. It cuts down just enough time of aiming to make a difference. All those extra things like shrouds and magazine gas through are pointless but they sure make the gun look cool.

[paullus99]

The Tac-1 is about as heavy as I can stand (especially for those long night games). The SP-8's seem heavy & more importantly, bulky (awkward to carry). Bigger is definitely not better....

[p8ntball72]

Scenario is about playing a role, Dressing up in character, and doing missions.

Hard core scenario players could care less what a marker weighs as long as it "fits" the story line and looks cool.

I am by no means "Hard core" but have seen players wearing full BDU uniforms and Tac gear in 110* heat.... Now that's crazy

[Pump Scout]

Interestingly enough, a similar problem exists on the "real steel" side of the fence. The M-4 Carbine was brought in because it's lighter and more compact than a standard M-16. Then, when it gets downrange to the units in the field, the armorers are adding on thermal sights, laser pointers, flashlights, vertical foregrips, spare magazine holders, suppressors, and other crap to the gun. The pound and a half weight savings is lost in the accessorizing. Granted, some of it is needed to do the mission, but still... damn.

As for scenario play, well, my own experience is limited in scenarios. The one I played in, I was happy to have a fairly light gun, and found myself wishing I'd attached a sling for between missions. Nothing I have weighs in anywhere near what my M-60 from my Army days weighed, but I still don't like having to haul around more weight than needed.

[doc_Zox]

a remote A5A2 is a very light set up

the bipod is just a prop for the picture

[Stealth Fighter]

Yeah I think some of the fancy guns you see out are meant for like a player who wants to look cool and does nothing but camp. I can't find the picture, but it was on ebay a while ago, it was a huge replica of a .50 caliber machine gun with a mag valve in it. I mean it had a huge tripod to hold the whole thing up. I mean you pretty much find a spot close to you base or whatever you might be protecting if you are protecting something and park it.

[mobsterboy]

We have one just like that in the shop, right next to the longbow mag and under the nerf football rpg's.

Hmm, something from "Three Kings" i smell here...

[bentothejam1n]

this reminds of a TWB....

[HOMELANDEFENDER]

As one member has stated - Role play is just as important to some people as are the games themselves. Scenario players including myself choose gear that follow along the lines of the milSim mindset. As far as my choices in markers, I run with tricked out A5's and Automags of course. I sling my markers so rails do help with this. I have also used red-dot sights for low light work and a occasional Tac-light mounted as well.

Some guys do go for that full blown SAW Gunner style marker, but I usually only carry what works, and thats it. My gear does usually have rails, but I can't remember a time when I was helplessly snagged by killer foliage - lol. If the military can deal with carrying over 60 lbs of gear without problems through the worst conditions, then whats the big deal about hauling around 25 lbs of stuff -- as in a 92 /4500 tank, E-Tac, pods, water, radio, vest, ect... Its not that bad. I find that during the course of an average scenario, I usually use everything I carry.

If you guys prefer to go light -- then fine. But some do prefer to carry extra. I happen to also do a fair share of real tactical training, so I try to load up to simulate realistic conditions where you have to equip yourself for a given situation . Thats why I tend to go MilSim. I do have ONE '05 Ego BTW...

HLD...

[Konigballer]

I have no problem with mil-sim or scenarioball in general, since they both spring from woodsball which I love. The only thing I never can get over though is scopes and bipods on paintball guns... It's just my opinion but to me that goes well beyond 'playing a role' and off into just plain dorkism. I mean, who puts a friggin' bipod on a A5 that has a range of 80 to 100 ft? I know some guys get REAL into the 'playing soldier' thing, but you ain't exactly putting down supressive fire 400yds down range with your 27 pound M240 so get over yourself GI Joe!

Of course, if you have one of those real hardcore mil-sim jobs that look exactly like a M-60 or something, then by all means rock out with the bipod

[paintman1142]

more weight makes it more of a realistic scenario, you dont think that M-16s weight as much as a freaking ego or a ULE mag do you?

[Pump Scout]

M-16A2, 30 round magazine, and sling weighs in around 9 pounds.

200 paintballs, at 3.4 grams per = 680 grams = 1.5 pounds
HALO B with batteries = 1.5 pounds
68ci compressed air tank = approx. 2.5 pounds
Average paintgun with barrel, regulator, and any accessories (batteries, etc) = 3 pounds
Total = about 8.5 pounds

Pretty close, really.