Define cheating

[Lohman446]

Honestly, define it.

I have heard wiping is just "playing the game".

Of course I have heard the other extreme "while I call myself out on bounces" to imply not doing so is cheating. I have also seen people complain ramping, even when allowed within the rules, is cheating. So... what is cheating?

[CoolHand]

Playing the game in a manner outside of the envelope defined by the agreed upon rules.

If ramping is allowed by the rules where you play, then it's not cheating.
If wiping is allowed, then it's not cheating.

If it's NOT allowed, then it IS cheating.

And by allowed, I do not mean that it is tolerated, I mean that it is specifically spelled out in the rules that you are allowed to remove a hit and continue playing.

[Skittle]

Cheating is breaking the rules in a game. Simple as that.

Wiping is cheating. "Wiping is part of the game." Yeah, so is cheating.

Ramping, if not allowed BY THE RULES, is cheating.

Shooting hot, is cheating.

Making out with a girl other than your own girlfriend... is cheating.

Breaking the rules, whatever they may be, is cheating. Simple as that.

[punkncat]

Unfortunatly not enough of todays players have the moral fortitude to define cheating as "when it feels wrong".

I agree with the above, when you are playing outside the defines rules of that particular game.


That guy you are talking about with the "I go out for bounces", well thats a bit extreme. I can say that I have made bad judgement calls as both a player and a ref that an onlooker might define as cheating. I never purposefully bend rules or try to conceal something in order to cheat.

[sbpyro]

Don't know how the rules are in the fields you play at but the ones around here goes something like this.

If the paintball breaks on you, you are out.
If you call yourself out, you are out.

So by definition wiping is cheating, because you know that you are out and trying to cover up that fact..
If it bounced and you called yourself out then you are still out.

Relatively simple rules.

I remember hearing that it was part of the game in speedball about 7 or 8 years ago. But I have seen that part of the game move into rec play. I disagreed with the practice then and now.

[Skittle]

Wiping isint only cheating, in some cases it could be considered stealing. I mean, it sounds a little extreeme to say "Wiping is cheating, chuff chuff" and all that crap.

However, when youre playing to win prizes or money and you cheat, youre taking away someone elses prize or money. Stealing.

In rec, who cares. Its cheating and anyone stupid enough to take rec so seriously needs to sell their gun and get out the game.

[Muzikman]

This is an easy one.

Getting caught doing something that is against the written rules of the game.

The key here is "getting caught" cause remember cheating is only cheating if you get caught.

[Jaan]

Unfortunatly not enough of todays players have the moral fortitude to define cheating as "when it feels wrong".

I've just recently been playing with a pump only group and it's amazing what a difference it was from the latest "AGG" 14 year old with mad crazy $1500 mommy bought me as a substitute for love speedball ramping marker wielding stud muffin wannabes. I had become jaded seeing so many kids wiping, bonus balling, playing through hits, and turning up the velocity. For some reason at my local field turning up the velocity is a popular thing to do. The group of pump players though, are totally different. They'll call paintchecks on themselves ... and when in doubt call themselves out. I had one guy shot me from a little too close after I snuck up on him and kinda scared him a little. He apologised profusely after ... which definitely wasn't something I was used to. Maybe it's because the regular "AGG" crowd are mostly virgins, and the older pump crowd have kids their ages lol.

In the strictest sense "cheating" is defined as breaking the rules to gain an unfair advantage in a game. However, in rec ball at least I think what it really means is simply being a jerk and playing unfairly. It's just a game, and it should be fun. You're not cheating someone out of a victory, you're cheating everyone who paid to play out of having a good time.

[Oldest Sage]

Cheating is violating the rules, period. When someone wipes they know it but don't have the integrity to call themselves out. If you really didn't know you were hit and didn't try to wipe or cover it up, it's not cheating and a Ref should make the call. If a hit is pointed out on a player and they can verify it, they should call themselves out. It bothers me to even see these posts. Cheating is cheating and should not be questionable.

[hitech]

Cheating is intentionally breaking the rules in a game.

The reason some of us referred to ramping as cheating is because it had ALWAYS been against the rules. Then the rules were then changed. However, it still was cheating. If you look at the evolution of the rules in paintball, many of the changes are because "everyone" was cheating.

[White_Noise]

This is an easy one.

Getting caught doing something that is against the written rules of the game.

The key here is "getting caught" cause remember cheating is only cheating if you get caught.

im going to agree with muzikman on this....thats a lesson my dad taught me early on.

on that note, i dont think ive honestly met anyone who has never wiped a hit. everyone does it, ive even played with cppl people who do it

[hitech]

I had one guy shot me from a little too close...He apologised profusely after ...

I had someone at NorCal vs SoCal do that. I was stunned. He wasn't that close and I was still playing. Every now and then you run into truely nice people.

[slade]

Cheating is breaking the rules in a game. Simple as that.

nope. not true. everyone says that without thinking about it.

cheating in paintball is doing something unethical to gain an unfair advantage over the other team.

rules are always written more strictly than they are enforced. according to the rules, you cannot call a ref for a paint check, you must either check yourself or ask a teammate. the only unobvious hit would be one on your pack. of course, no one actually follows those rules, most people will call a ref over to check them. thats not cheating, its just more practical. also, according to the rules, if you find a hit on yourself, you must immediately call yourself out and go back to the deadbox. I did that at a tournament once. one of the refs then came over to me and told me that he was going to call me back in since i was hit by someone who was playing on, he got hit in the middle of a runthrough and then shot me. I dont know why he didnt call a 1 for 1, but i would advise against anyone else from calling themselves out during a tournament. instead, just call to a ref for a paintcheck. is that cheating? of course not. is it not following the rules as written? yes.

[Despot]

Where i play woods and scenario we may all be consided cheaters cause we shoot way over regulation FPS of airball or speedball.. But i'll tell you one thing nobody wants to stay and wipe after i shoot them. Dont get me wrong we aren't popping goggles but its stings just enough to filter out the wipers and cheaters.. Also its much easier to "not get caught" wipin in 5 acres of Everglades so it takes a little more then just integrity.

[tyrion2323]

Playing the game in a manner outside of the envelope defined by the agreed upon rules.

If ramping is allowed by the rules where you play, then it's not cheating.
If wiping is allowed, then it's not cheating.

If it's NOT allowed, then it IS cheating.

And by allowed, I do not mean that it is tolerated, I mean that it is specifically spelled out in the rules that you are allowed to remove a hit and continue playing.

Right on target.