To call or leave it to refs?

[Lohman446]

On the break I turn and lane, walking towards my bunker. I feel a hit on the center of my chest, continue walking to my bunker shooting the lane I was holding. Once there I stopped and looked down. Now, nothing broke, I was clean.

I made a decision when I did it to continue to my bunker and influence the outcome of the game by "playing until a ref said something". In this case no paint no foul. Had there been paint? Yes I should have been gone, so should one of my teammates. It was a conscious decision that the risk was worth the reward.

Was it cheating? Is intentionally fouling someone in basketball to stop the clock cheating? I aksed what cheating was in another thread. An answer I received was breaking the rules with dishonest intent and I liked it. No dishonest intent there, had I been hit the penalty would have been warranted. Now, do I like it because I can now freely break the rules as long as I don't try to do it dishonestly and not call myself cheating?

[marpat]

Define neutral player. And not having my copy of the rules right in front of me... where is that? I've stood at the field before and quoted PSP rules that don't exist to other pretty veteran tournament players - be amazed how many have seemingly never actually read the rules.

[Lohman446]

as per the rules you are a neutral player if the ref is withing touching distance of you

So this statement is not supported by either PSP or NPPL (I know its not in PSP, I do study those rules pretty close as I tend to play under them). Perhaps they are a local rule in many places though as you have pointed out at least in some.

[Sniper1]

Dont talk to me about skirmish... they are on my list of UGLY

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in fact they are the role models for ugly last sevral times I was there...

[stop whining buy a mag]

I look when I get a chance. When I'm playing in a tournament and they have twice the number of refs to players, they can earn their $8.50/hour by checking me. It's really pretty obvious. I usually see that spray of paint that comes up quickly. Hopper, pack, leg shots are really up to the ref as I can only barely feel my legs when running and gunning.

But I am nice enough to call out when I get gogged. It's hard to argue out of that one.

[Lohman446]

I look when I get a chance. When I'm playing in a tournament and they have twice the number of refs to players, they can earn their $8.50/hour by checking me. It's really pretty obvious. I usually see that spray of paint that comes up quickly. Hopper, pack, leg shots are really up to the ref as I can only barely feel my legs when running and gunning.

But I am nice enough to call out when I get gogged. It's hard to argue out of that one.

So you cheat?

[stop whining buy a mag]

Yes.

During the course of the game it is not my responsibility to check over my entire body if I think I could have been hit. If I can blatantly see it, I call out. If it is anywhere else and even slightly questionable, I leave it up to the ref to decide. The rules we play by (PSP) state that it is out responsibility to check ourselves but it is widely accepted that anything questionable is the refs job when you are playing for cash. If I had to truley define a cheater in this category, it would be someone who keeps playing after blatantly knowing and even acknowledging they have been hit. Those people get me frustrated but if you can hit them once you can probably do it again.

Rec games are completely different. The field I play at has a drastic difference in skill level. I could take my pants off to check myself and probably still get back in the game without getting close to hit.

[Lohman446]

Yes.

During the course of the game it is not my responsibility to check over my entire body if I think I could have been hit. If I can blatantly see it, I call out. If it is anywhere else and even slightly questionable, I leave it up to the ref to decide. The rules we play by (PSP) state that it is out responsibility to check ourselves but it is widely accepted that anything questionable is the refs job when you are playing for cash. If I had to truley define a cheater in this category, it would be someone who keeps playing after blatantly knowing and even acknowledging they have been hit. Those people get me frustrated but if you can hit them once you can probably do it again.

Rec games are completely different. The field I play at has a drastic difference in skill level. I could take my pants off to check myself and probably still get back in the game without getting close to hit.

What rules you play under?

If you define cheating as a rule violation then yeh, your cheating (at least by PSP rules). Now if you require it be with dishonest intent... maybe not

[Stealthed_Banana]

I cherished that trust as it can only help.

I have my fair share of horror stories with every thing there the good the bad and the ugly. But if you follow a good rule of conduct even if you walk off even if you are not out but up for dispute you gain the respect of players and the staff.

[Cow hunter]

So this statement is not supported by either PSP or NPPL (I know its not in PSP, I do study those rules pretty close as I tend to play under them). Perhaps they are a local rule in many places though as you have pointed out at least in some.

straigtht from the rulebook

http://warpig.com/paintball/tournament/rulebook.shtml

[stop whining buy a mag]

What rules you play under?







If you define cheating as a rule violation then yeh, your cheating (at least by PSP rules). Now if you require it be with dishonest intent... maybe not

I think the whole thing comes down to how you define an obvious hit. The PSP defines it as anywhere except your pack to make it easier for the refs to call playing on penalties. I'll continue cheating because it works well for me. Instead of calling myself out on what could be a bounce and then taking 7 to the back, I'll let a ref (who's probably 3 feet away from me) pull my armband if he sees the break. That way I'm less likely to take some as I'm walking out. I've found that most people will shoot until they can definitely see a dead player is out of the bunker or if a ref is over there pulling the armband. If they see the armband pulled you probably won't get a single extra a shot.

[REDRT]

If I feel a hit and I don't see paint I'm playing on until a ref tells me different. If I see paint then I call myself out. If I get shot up pretty good and nothing broke, but I hadn't any recoarse ( meaning I'm screwed) I'll call myself out.

[Lohman446]

straigtht from the rulebook

A ref merely being within touching distance does not make one neutral.

[REDRT]

as per the rules you are a neutral player if the ref is withing touching distance of you

In that distance if the ref is in my way he is far game to be shot to.

[hitech]

straigtht from the rulebook



http://warpig.com/paintball/tournament/rulebook.shtml

if, in the performance of the check, he will expose the player to hits or interfere with normal game activity. A player becomes neutral only when a judge gets close enough to touch the player,