First Electronic Paintball Gun?

[Muzikman]

The CCI Revolution is a myth. I have heard a lot about it, but don't know anyone who actually seen it.

[warbeak2099]

Mike Cassidy only made one as a prototype.

http://www.vintagerex.com/cgi-bin/in...ent%20Concepts

There are pictures there under the advertisements section. It was made in 1993 but never put into production. Who knows why. Only Mike. The whole electric rotating bolt thing is interesting.

[REDRT]

really, and why is that? being an owner of an origional e-mag in 2001, and an sfl, i seem to remember the e-mag being plagued with choping issues, which were only worsened with the superbolt. The e-mag was not a capable marker really until level 10, and by that point it was too late. Angels on the other hand were comming in sexy colors, sexy mill options, and PL versions, not to mention with a full aftermarket supporting it, also they were available with eyes through private upgrades. Not to mention the timmy which also came out before level 10, had eyes, low pressure opperation, and offered blazing speed, with a trigger people loved. So no, the e-mag was not the first e-marker worth a damn.

To each there own. I just find most other E-markers are not built for the long haul. They tend to fall apart more so than any mag IMO. Angels? Until the G7 fly they where hidious to me. Timmies make good paper weights. But I admit I'm extremely mag bias. You couldn't pay me enough to promote, use, own anything else. That is where I stand. That is why I hang here.

[warbeak2099]

Vikings and Excals don't just fall apart and they're not mags. There are people still shooting updated pre-2000 Angels that are still kickin. Mags certainly aren't the only high end, long lasting workhorses.

[magman007]

To each there own. I just find most other E-markers are not built for the long haul. They tend to fall apart more so than any mag IMO. Angels? Until the G7 fly they where hidious to me. Timmies make good paper weights. But I admit I'm extremely mag bias. You couldn't pay me enough to promote, use, own anything else. That is where I stand. That is why I hang here.

also, there are certainly many matricies and dm's kicking around, actually, i challenge you to wear one out, il swap some orings, and it will be good as new. Less moving parts than the mag, and all wear parts are completely replaceable. id say their in for the same long haul as the others.

[Cash]

yea the revolution was thr first but is not like most elctropneumatic marksers for two resons one it was never in production so there for it is disqualified and two the air never actually went into a selinoid in fact there was no selinoid just a electronic motor to pull the bolt back to meet the hammer inside the valve there was just a regular cci valve and a motor connected to the bolt

the only one still in existance is at the cci store in oregon and it has a cutom anno and everything it is in a velve lined glass case ive seen pic of it on the old phog like 9 months ago it was sweet looking

[warbeak2099]

Cool idea though.

Magman007, most definitely. I forgot matrices. I can't tell you how many DM3's and pre-DM3's there are floating around and still being used with effectiveness.

[REDRT]

Vikings and Excals don't just fall apart and they're not mags. There are people still shooting updated pre-2000 Angels that are still kickin. Mags certainly aren't the only high end, long lasting workhorses.

Viking & Excal are a stacked tube marker. Even if they were to be decent reliablity wise they are ugly and plain. To me they are like an over glorified spyder. And all spyders should be melted down and made into sluggo bodies
I know of no one with a pre2k angel still, but a friend still loves his 2k Angel. He spent some big money to bring it up to current specs. It is very finicky and seldom works. It is coming back from service again. Maybe this time it will work? Maybe mags aren't the only game in town, but they might as well be in my eyes.

[jenarelJAM]

^^^

I might see why you would call unmilled vikings/excals ugly and plain, but their price reflects that. For $500 you can get a darn well up'd 03 or slightly up'd 04 viking. For $500 more you can get one of several custom millings and an anno to your taste. For $1000 you're getting your own custom marker, with a $900 or so back if you sell it, and a marker that will literally compete with or surpass every aspect of current markers. AND they are as reliable as mags.

I think you're confusing the viking/excal being an over glorified spyder with timmies. The viking is like an angel built to last and to customize.

[Cow hunter]

Viking & Excal are a stacked tube marker. Even if they were to be decent reliablity wise they are ugly and plain. To me they are like an over glorified spyder. And all spyders should be melted down and made into sluggo bodies
I know of no one with a pre2k angel still, but a friend still loves his 2k Angel. He spent some big money to bring it up to current specs. It is very finicky and seldom works. It is coming back from service again. Maybe this time it will work? Maybe mags aren't the only game in town, but they might as well be in my eyes.

my 2k CNC LCD has yet to have problems except the board bieng fired, the mechanics of it work fine and all it cost me to "bring it up to specs" were the price of eyes, milling, and a new board

[REDRT]

my 2k CNC LCD has yet to have problems except the board bieng fired, the mechanics of it work fine and all it cost me to "bring it up to specs" were the price of eyes, milling, and a new board

Kind of a problem in an E-marker...

[paullus99]

Well, once all the litigation gets settled, maybe the courts will be able to tell us what the first electro-marker was.....

[warbeak2099]

Ugly and plain? Um, yea mags are that too bud! But of course for both AGD and AKA guns you can get milling or sculpted bodies. So you lose that argument.

Also, AKA guns are not stacked tube spyder clones. They're more like angel clones and what does that matter? They're engineered and built to be of very high quality and they're incredibly durable. They have the same qualities as mags except they're faster, quieter, and better on air. They're just bigger.

[Indignant]

REDRT, i have hereby come to the conclusion that you are one of the worthless fanboys for a single brand that cannot open their eyes and see that other guns are just as good, or better, as the one they shoot.

in this case, vikings and excals. vikings and excals have shot better for me, even when not set up that great, than any of the multitude of AGD guns i've owned and played with. magman007 pretty much covered everything on the 'first ones worth a damn' thing so i won't even touch that, but i will say that you need to branch out more.

[magman007]

Kind of a problem in an E-marker...

need i mention how many ace boards i went through with the sfl? ... thats what i thought.

vikings ugly? oh and im sure grey tubes are the new fashion?

show me an xmag and call it hot, and il show you a highlander viking, and i dare you to call a highlander ugly. Hell, i dont even like aka markers that much, i had a 2k4 featherlight, and it was still hotter than 99% of the xmags out there, and 90% of the sfl's.

and dont give me that infection anno sfl as a reference, that marker in my mind is a travesty.