Automags VS New aged marker's

[punkncat]

These threads are hillarious.

Take two players of equal skill.

Give each a marker, one a new aged marker with ramping and eyes and one old tech.

Play 100 games.

The player with the new marker is going to win about 55-60 (not studied numbers, my opinion) of those games assuming ALL else equal.


That being said, chances are all of us can get more out of improving our game than improving our marker. Improving our marker is just easier.

QFT

There is something to be said for a marker that you are comfortable and shoot well with.

That being said,(mech) Mags are superb, but lets be honest for minute. When you are playing more experianced teams its a whole different ball game. The differences in the markers(mech vs. electric) become overwhelming. Not only are you dealing with a marker that can simply shoot more paint, but with people who can use this to maximum effect. Not like schooling some open player with your skill and a "lesser" marker.

Now does this mean its impossible? No, but you are setting off with a serious disadvantage not using something that the rules state is ok. Something akin to taking the trusty family car to the pro street drags......

[NoForts4Me]

...chances are all of us can get more out of improving our game than improving our marker. Improving our marker is just easier.

Nicely put. Please add one to your Useful Posts.

[AGDRetro]

Last tournament I played my team took first and I never once felt outgunned. My Karta sports only a ULT & Viperblade, but keeps up just fine. We played against some teams with good experience & Timmys, Quests, Egos & the dreaded Ions. The usual and boring variety. I honestly think that is my favorite part of being an Automag owner, I've got something that nearly nobody else on the field has seen or ever used! My teammates backed me up with an Ego & 05 Proto Matrix, but I had no trouble at all keeping my eliminations up to par! Don't sell out, keep shooting your underrated Mags and your distinction as a team.

[dahoeb]

follow your heart, young one, follow your heart.

[Skittle]

when I first got rid of my minimag I regretted it, I thought I would never find a gun as great or reliable and etc. Then I found my viking.

[billmi]

You do have to consider the rules where you are playing.

In PSP a player is not allowed to have a gun that is *capable* of firing over 15 bps without being modified with tools. While that rule is not well or evenly enforced, you have to have some sort of rate of fire cap to be legal, which until a new technology is invented, means you need to have an electronic triggering system.

[warbeak2099]

Mags have almost everything to offer that other high end markers have. If they're electro of course. Electro Mags are light, faster and more consistant than anything else, compact, have little kick, don't chop with lvl 10 or eyes, are easy to maintain, reliable/durable, and they aren't that loud either.

The one area a mag will never be able to compete in is gas usage. Mags just are not as efficient as other high end superguns. Other than that, mags are as good if not better than most other guns.

Again though, this is if you're shooting an electro mag with modes and software comparable to other high end guns. Basically, a Devilmag, Logic UEMF Mag, E/X-Mag w/ XMOD software, Spydermag with Tboard and upgrade chip, etc. If we're talking about a 13bps Hyperframed Classic mag then no it can't compete with a DM/PM/Angel/Borg/Shocker/etc.

[mobsterboy]

pneumags slaughter the competition. Because they can be light, fun to create, easy to maintain and require no freaking batteries. I prefer my hypermag, but mags all around are jsut better, because if you want to switch bodies, frames, rails, looks, its really not that hard. Take off your old body, switch feednecks and slap the new one on. Easy to customize and change up. I'm getting a spare rtp sear just for playing around in semi single trigger with my ult sometimes. It will be hella fun

[pachytriton]

Only places mags suffer is efficiency and kick.

[Lohman446]

The second annoying thing about these threads.

The people who insist that todays markers have absolutely zero advantage over mags. I love mags, and I think I have shot most of them from level seven through devilmags. Trust me, there is a difference. See my above post, it may not be the greatest difference, it doesn't change the world, but to argue there is no difference is rather naive.

[jenarelJAM]

Nicely put. Please add one to your Useful Posts.

Wait a minute... didn't his "useful posts:" used to be 8? now its 6???

Cmon Lohman, 8+1=9, not 6...

[warbeak2099]

Lohman, other than gas efficiency, what advantages does say a Predator'd PM6 have over a Predator'd electro Mag? A little less kick maybe?

[st6212]

The second annoying thing about these threads.

The people who insist that todays markers have absolutely zero advantage over mags. I love mags, and I think I have shot most of them from level seven through devilmags. Trust me, there is a difference. See my above post, it may not be the greatest difference, it doesn't change the world, but to argue there is no difference is rather naive.

I've read alot of these type of threads, figure I'll throw in my 5 cents (we don't have 2 cents here anymore).

I can understand a mech mag against electro's, even maybe a 13bps Hyperframe being at a disadvantage, although with 15bps cap its not a big deal.

But if your also saying that player A with a top of the line electro up against player B with an electro mag along the lines of a devilmag or similar, ie predator board, eyes etc. is still not on par, then I'd have to disagree. There really is no difference between the two.

Cos, let's face it, when you take out all the electronics from all these markers, what are you left with? A pneumatic paintball delivery system which relies on the barrel for accuracy. The electronics is what gives all these markers their "eliteness", which can also be applied to a mag. Regardless of what pneumatics are being used, the paint is still coming out one end.

I've played with a variety of electro's owned by friends and other players, and there is no real advantage over each other when the electronics are giving them all the same modes and functions. Our backman on occasion whips out his Ion(modded) and go toe-to-toe against those with DM's and borgs, when his Shocker goes down, which it has recently, and his gameplay isn't affected. He's still raining that paint in the direction we want him to, keeping their heads down and making eliminations.

The differences I do notice between markers are mainly personal preference between players, ie size, weight and general feel of a marker when holding and firing it. For the life of me I can't hold/or play well with an Angel (still willing to give the Angel One a go tho), but I'm at ease with a Shocker or Freestyle (& Mag of course). My teammate is a monster with an Angel in his hand, but hates the Borgs, and you can see it in his game play, his confidence drops and tend to hang back a bit. He's just uncomfortable with it.

You should always go with what feels right for you. If you can hold your own with what you have now, sweet! If you feel you are being outgunned and want to do something about it, then do it. If you have a mag, then there are ways to bring them up to par. If you wanna go with something different, then by all means. As long as in the end your happy with what you end up with.

[RapidTransit]

Honestly, a Mag is just as fast and just as light as anything out there. Take the argument their heavy especially the E/X-Mag because of the battery pack. Anyone pick up a good quality regulator and felt the weight? Now add a second smaller one for some of them. Then make it a stack tube confguration (except for the shocker and ions) spool valves are gas hogs themselves poppets have more efficiency but does it really matter? Buy a bigger tank. As for kick, for me its hard to explain what happens when I shoot, it dosn't kick but I do feel something, my logic just tells me the bolt is the only reciprocating mass so when it reaches forward and backward when it cycles because it moves so fast it feels almost canceled out. I got kick only when I hit about 20bps. My battery crapped out on my X-Mag and had to use manual mode and kept up just fine with the Shockers and Trixes on the field that day.

[BigEvil]

I really hate to get in on these kinda threads... everyone gets drowned out but....


Look boys... YES there are differences. YES, mags are great, but so are many other markers out there. It is all preference and need.

I have owned more guns than I care to admit to. I love my mags the best. They dont feel like toys - and growing up shooting real guns that is something that is important to me. ALso the fact that AGD has always treated their customers like family as well. But truthfully, if Lornecash didnt give us this new software, I probably would be shooting either my Predatored Angel or an 06 Cyborg right now.

Any AGD gun, and most others as well, will find a place on the paintball fields - depending on how you play.

I have no issues at all keeping up with any of the modern guns with either my Xmag, etac, or the eframed RT I made. However, they are FAR from stock. All of them have alot of TLC and performance mods in them, things that come standard on new guns.

So come on guys, cut the crap. Get your asses outside and play instead of waisting time in front of the keyboard.


/starts packing my gear