Banned from PBN... :\

[SpitFire1299]

FallNAngel- Its hard to relate an incident like this to others(such as the pulled over one).

I was breaking the rules however.. many people do not understand that * means virtue. I was not aware of the situation with virtue and pbn until the creation of this topic.

Virtue did not lie to there customers, they just boosted their own company. I love my virtue board.. however i am kind of dissapointed with virtue. Pbn showing its dissapointment for virtue/advantagepb.com should not be taken out on their members.

[FallNAngel]

I was breaking the rules however.. many people do not understand that * means virtue. I was not aware of the situation with virtue and pbn until the creation of this topic.

Actually:
1. You'd be surprised that when you say "comes with a * board" that people can figure out that it's a virtue board
2. If they can't figure it out, the "*" is actually a link... which goes right to the topic talking about the company being banned.

Past that, if you didn't know it was a filtered word, why'd you spell it like "v|i|r|t|u|e" ?

Virtue did not lie to there customers, they just boosted their own company.

I look at giving competitors false negitive feedback as lieing to customers. They're purposefully misleading them... how is that not lieing to them?

Pbn showing its dissapointment for virtue/advantagepb.com should not be taken out on their members.

They should allow it, which would give other companies the OK to mislead customers? In the end, people *will* get fed up with it and leave PBN... which hurts PBN in the long run.

[Lohman446]

Your a pbn mod.. right? assuming this is Kartakeeper..

Virtue and pbnation arent in competition. I did not put anyone at risk, or insult anyone/anything by avoiding the filter. I noticed that it wasnt just me who was banned for this reason. They should filter smart parts also because of all the "stuff" they have done(not trying to pick a fight on that topic).

The thing is that it was a B/S/T topic. PbN has become a lot like ebay.. and if ebay started shutting down peoples auctions/accounts because they avoided a silly word that had to do with ebay(themselves).. then there would be havoc.

To sum things up.. Im very upset that Ive become banned for something so stupid While my money and my reputaiton is on the line.

You are forgetting one very important thing.

A) You agree to certain rules in order to post, or use any online service
B) You pay to use e-bay, not PBN (any support is voluntary).

The "theres money involved" thing just doesn't cut it on a free service. You are using there FREE service to make yourself money, that certainly does not entitle you to preferential treatment.

That being said, filtering virtue is pretty lame in my opinion. However, it doesn't count as I do not own or support those particular boards

[pennywise]

No, I fail to see the irony.

They have filtered the word "virtue"--making it a "bad" word when the actual meaning is contrary. Therefore, PbN is not acting "virtuous" in their decision to disallow a word based on the fact that it shares the name with a product they feel was poorly represented.

This whole thing is chock full o' irony.

[Pump Scout]

Fair warning on this one - Yes, I'm a mod on PBN. Yes, I've asked for bans for people evading the Virtue filter. Yes, I believe PBN has every right to filter any word they want, especially when a company does what AdvantagePB did.

Moving on...

The irony I see in this is that Advantage would name a board designed to cheat the rules "Virtue". Core of the irony right there. Further irony is that the word "virtue" is used so seldom in paintball in general, filtering it (or dodging said filter) only happens when people are talking about a circuit board. Even more irony comes from the fact that people complain about being temporarily banned from a free forum board for breaking their rules. I'm amazed daily at the number of people who claim ignorance on the filter, but knowingly avoid it in their posts, and then complain when a ban comes their way. I've always thought that if a system filters something out, it's obviously not something the system wants there.

As an aside, I checked the logs, and didn't see your name anywhere, so I'm guessing you use another name on PBN. Filter dodges are almost never perm bans, so you should be up and running again soon. Take it for what it is. In spite of what plenty of people (even here, on what I'd considered one of the more intelligent boards on the web) think, PBN mods aren't just a bunch of jerks sitting around waiting for someone to ban at random. There's a quarter of a million user names on there, and we get to deal with everything from porn posts, to people posting someone's personal info, to death threats, to theft... it goes on and on. Mods aren't paid for their work on PBN, and you'd be shocked at some of the garbage we get to put up with in our efforts to keep the insanity down to a dull roar. I've had some private messages that have implied some really unpleasant things about my sexual preferences, my mother, my affiliations with paintball companies, etc.

[dahoeb]

those are some reasonable points. ^^

[manike]

Virtue did not lie to there customers, they just boosted their own company. I love my virtue board.. however i am kind of dissapointed with virtue. Pbn showing its dissapointment for virtue/advantagepb.com should not be taken out on their members.

Actually yes they did. They created false user names to post negative things about competing products and in order to boost their own products. They made up issues and problems with other companies items. If that isn't lieing to your customer base I'm not sure what is?

Did you ever actually read the link that the starred out word takes you to?

As for 'taking things out on the PBN members'. That can't be farther from the truth. PBN made a LOT of money through Advantage PB's advertising on the web site. They lost that when they decided to do what was morally right and to look after their members.

What PBN is actually doing is protecting it's members. If you actualy take a look through the rules, they are mainly designed to try and protect the members. This is why they don't allow things like porn, shops spamming, trolling (being abusive to other members), no racism etc.

The web of deceit and lies generated by Advantage PB and approx 40 fake usernames they created, was NOT good for the members of PBN. It wasn't fair on other companies with similar products and it didn't create a fair and accurate knowledge base of their products in comparison.

The unprecedented actions taking against Virtue are a step to try and ensure other companies understand how seriously fraud is taken on PBN. It's an effort to stop it happening again, and to continue protecting the member, from lies, fraud and deceit.

The act of filtering 'virtue' actually didn't happen until a while after the whole mess with their fake names came about. It was a secondary measure after Advantage PB, again tried to circumnavigate the filtering system and get back on PBN in order to continue spamming their products. At this point they were no longer welcome, and knew it. Extreme measures were then taken.

In essence though, PBN has no problem with you typing 'Virtue'. Everyone can read the link and see what board you meant, and also learn about who that board comes from. The excuse that you 'had to avoid the filter so people could tell what you were selling' is not a valid one.

What PBN has a problem with, is you intentionally breaking the rules there. You signed up and said you would follow them. You didn't, and that's why you were temp banned.

[Aslan]

You are forgetting one very important thing.

A) You agree to certain rules in order to post, or use any online service
B) You pay to use e-bay, not PBN (any support is voluntary).

The "theres money involved" thing just doesn't cut it on a free service. You are using there FREE service to make yourself money, that certainly does not entitle you to preferential treatment.

That being said, filtering virtue is pretty lame in my opinion. However, it doesn't count as I do not own or support those particular boards

Wow, you can get banned on pbnation? Did you post a video of you killing somone as an avatar or something? I bet if you were a supporting member you wouldn't have been banned!! OOooo!

As for my experience, I didn't even think pbnation banned anyone. With the garbage threads and posts over there and the juvenile stuff...it does seem odd that you'd get banned for selling you * board. Oh well. Personally, I've had nothing but positive experiences with the mods at pbnation...the users, well, that's another thing...they can be extreme tards at times...but the mods have been cool.

As for my bannage experience...got banned temporarily here once (thus the creation of my slogan)...for something...I don't remember now. I think I was up late and was trying to be funny and it got interpreted as a flame or something. The mod, I can't remember who it was, was cool about it and reversed it after a couple days.

The only other one I can think of is I think I got warned once on pbreview by Lopez for "reviving old posts." Essentially, I got banned for using the search function rather than starting another thread on the same topic. What kind've annoyed me about it was I PMd him to ask about it and he didn't even bother answering.

[manike]

Just FYI. There has been 24 people banned SO FAR today on PBN. Since the evening is the busiest time for PBN, it's not suprising if over 40-50 people (yesterday was 40) people will get banned each day.

People get banned for breaking the rules whether they have supporting member status or not.

[Lohman446]

Rules of scale. The moderators on AO get to know the members better and can take a better judgement if a violation of the rules is intentional or against the intent of the rule. I may make posts in jest that would be flaming if taken seriously. The moderators can take that, along with an individuals past behavior into account because of the smaller active community.

PBN the moderators have so much to deal with in just mass of posts that the same attention cannot be applied. It becomes a black and white line. Did you break a rule? If you did, expect to be banned.

[txaggie08]

B) You pay to use e-bay, not PBN (any support is voluntary).

actualy ebay is free to buy on. Now to sell on no, but to buy on yes.

Censorship of a for slae add is ridiculous, but not in the rest of the forums. If someone is using a selling area, they should be free to list there parts, regardless of the issues they have with the forum, or should be banned from selling said parts. One or the other, not both.

[Lohman446]

actualy ebay is free to buy on. Now to sell on no, but to buy on yes.

Censorship of a for slae add is ridiculous, but not in the rest of the forums. If someone is using a selling area, they should be free to list there parts, regardless of the issues they have with the forum, or should be banned from selling said parts. One or the other, not both.

We were discussing it in the context of selling. But I'll give you those points.

[txaggie08]

in adendum to my original post, if the company has made that much trouble, has done that many things wrong, i think there products need to be banned from sale on the forums as well. Ebay has, and continues, to ban certain things from sale due to scam artists, bad feedback issues, etc.

[pennywise]

Fair warning on this one - Yes, I'm a mod on PBN. Yes, I've asked for bans for people evading the Virtue filter. Yes, I believe PBN has every right to filter any word they want, especially when a company does what AdvantagePB did.

Moving on...

The irony I see in this is that Advantage would name a board designed to cheat the rules "Virtue". Core of the irony right there. Further irony is that the word "virtue" is used so seldom in paintball in general, filtering it (or dodging said filter) only happens when people are talking about a circuit board. Even more irony comes from the fact that people complain about being temporarily banned from a free forum board for breaking their rules. I'm amazed daily at the number of people who claim ignorance on the filter, but knowingly avoid it in their posts, and then complain when a ban comes their way. I've always thought that if a system filters something out, it's obviously not something the system wants there.

As an aside, I checked the logs, and didn't see your name anywhere, so I'm guessing you use another name on PBN. Filter dodges are almost never perm bans, so you should be up and running again soon. Take it for what it is. In spite of what plenty of people (even here, on what I'd considered one of the more intelligent boards on the web) think, PBN mods aren't just a bunch of jerks sitting around waiting for someone to ban at random. There's a quarter of a million user names on there, and we get to deal with everything from porn posts, to people posting someone's personal info, to death threats, to theft... it goes on and on. Mods aren't paid for their work on PBN, and you'd be shocked at some of the garbage we get to put up with in our efforts to keep the insanity down to a dull roar. I've had some private messages that have implied some really unpleasant things about my sexual preferences, my mother, my affiliations with paintball companies, etc.

Touche.

[txaggie08]

BTW pump scout, if youlld ever like someone to think up funny rhetorts to some of those messages, forward them to me and ill reply for you