Is AGD DOA?

[eadtf]

[SlartyBartFast]

Why is it that nobody can find aftermarket wooden grips?

You want us to take you serious about upgrading technology and one of your complaints is not being able to find woodengrips?



AGD is long from dead. They just don't try to cater to the tourny kids anymore.

[Muzikman]

Oh god, not again. Do a quick search and you will find 10,000 threads just like this one with every possible answer you want to hear.

[eadtf]

You want us to take you serious about upgrading technology and one of your complaints is not being able to find woodengrips?



AGD is long from dead. They just don't try to cater to the tourny kids anymore.

After thought does not = biggest complaint...

You get the point I am making right?!?!

I would agree they don't cater to tourney ball but come on some new LIGHTER technoogy would be a good start.

Regarding "not again" Every thread here has been seen before...

[Muzikman]

Ok, name 2 guns that are not using technology that has been in the paintball world for the last 10 year?

The reason an AO member had to create the Xmod is because AGD didn't/doesn't want the liability that such software opens a company (or person) up to.

Is AGD dead? No, you can call the number and they will answer the phone.

Should AGD come out with a new gun? It would be nice, but if they are happy where they are currently at, what's the point?

Between 2000 and 2004 AGD came out with more advancments to their guns than just about any other company. Just because they don't relelease a new milling each year doesn't mean R&D was not spent.

Some where I listed all the AGD products to come out over the years. The amount of new products was amazing.

[BigEvil]

Ok, name 2 guns that are not using technology that has been in the paintball world for the last 10 year?

Thats 100% correct, but paintball has little to do with advancing technology at this point. It has to do all about marketing, and being trendy. Something AGD could not ever do.

However if you look around you.. you may notice lots of guys have or are selling off their mags. There are just way too many nice shiney new toys out there. In another two years you, Atacone and I will be the only ones left with mags.

In this day and age, not many players want to spend $900 on a new high end electro without firing modes OR an eye system. When you think about it, how hard would it have been to upgrade the software? How difficult to add break beam eyes at the factory? There are ton of minor upgrades that could have been done by AGD that would have at least kept things a little fresh.

I do see more and more Tacs showing up at scenaro games. AGD said they wanted in that market, now they have their foot in the door. Time to come out with something else for the sceario guys.

[eadtf]

Ok, name 2 guns that are not using technology that has been in the paintball world for the last 10 year?

The reason an AO member had to create the Xmod is because AGD didn't/doesn't want the liability that such software opens a company (or person) up to.

Is AGD dead? No, you can call the number and they will answer the phone.

Should AGD come out with a new gun? It would be nice, but if they are happy where they are currently at, what's the point?

Between 2000 and 2004 AGD came out with more advancments to their guns than just about any other company. Just because they don't relelease a new milling each year doesn't mean R&D was not spent.

Some where I listed all the AGD products to come out over the years. The amount of new products was amazing.

I could rebut but your missing my point.

[eadtf]

Thats 100% correct, but paintball has little to do with advancing technology at this point. It has to do all about marketing, and being trendy. Something AGD could not ever do.

However if you look around you.. you may notice lots of guys have or are selling off their mags. There are just way too many nice shiney new toys out there. In another two years you, Atacone and I will be the only ones left with mags.

In this day and age, not many players want to spend $900 on a new high end electro without firing modes OR an eye system. When you think about it, how hard would it have been to upgrade the software? How difficult to add break beam eyes at the factory? There are ton of minor upgrades that could have been done by AGD that would have at least kept things a little fresh.

I do see more and more Tacs showing up at scenaro games. AGD said they wanted in that market, now they have their foot in the door. Time to come out with something else for the sceario guys.

BigEvil thank you, you get my point... But add me to the list of dead-cold-hands gripping a my RT in one and XMAG in the other, I will never trade up.

You are right they did say they were going to put their efforts to scenario ball, but they need to freshen it up a bit.

[BigEvil]

I will never trade up.

I dont see a reason to. There isnt anythng that another gun can do that my mags cannot now. (Even though it required Lornecash to come up with the xmod, and me to make my own e-frame)

And to tell you the truth, most new guns feel like toys. I grew up shooting real firearms, so that plasticy-cheezy aluminum stuff just isnt my style. There is just something about my mags that I love. The only other guns that I liked were the older Angels, and you see where WDP went with their new stuff? The 06 Borgs are interesting, I may check them out, but I doubt I will pick up anything new for a while.

[Muzikman]

I could rebut but your missing my point.

Umm, I don't think I am missing anything. I am pointing to reasons why AGD has not come out with anything new lately.

BTW, even when the mag was the gun to own, there were few aftermarket parts for them.

[Muzikman]

Here, I'll place my preveios post in with your quote.

Ok, name 2 guns that are not using technology that has been in the paintball world for the last 10 year? <--- what company has come out with new technologies in the gun world? Maybe the software, but that's about it.


Between 2000 and 2004 AGD came out with more advancements to their guns than just about any other company. Just because they don't relelease a new milling each year doesn't mean R&D was not spent.

Some where I listed all the AGD products to come out over the years. The amount of new products was amazing.

Was the Level 10 bolt system a technological improvement on their past? Wasn't the Y-Grip a technical improvement on their past? Wasn't the X-Valve a technological improvement on their past (and a weight save)? Was the ULE bodies a weight saving improvement on their past? Wasn't the ULT a technological improvement on their past? Wasn't the ULE rails and frames a weight saving improvement on their past? Wasn't the WarpFeed a technological advance? How about the Flatline with all its safety features that other companies still refuse to add to their systems.



The reason an AO member had to create the Xmod is because AGD didn't/doesn't want the liability that such software opens a company (or person) up to.



Ok, maybe I don't get your point.

[SlartyBartFast]

I would agree they don't cater to tourney ball but come on some new LIGHTER technoogy would be a good start.

Uhm, ULE?!?!

A ULE RT Pro is as light as any other marker out there. No?

Or are you caught in a time warp where they only still sell stainless bodies and valves?

The woodgrips may have been an afterthought, but it puts you right out of the early nineties. I don't think you can buy new wood grips on the open market for ANY markers other than in stock class circles.

Been a VERY LONG time since those were the thing to have.

And a Bently, let alone an Angel One, running 100% of the time? What planet are you from? Not without meticulous maintenance they don't.

[Lohman446]

Gee.. as outspoken as I have been that mags are not "all that" your going to find one in my gear bag for as long as I play. They are great at being what they are. I told someone once, be you, your the best you you can be. Mags have a niche - they are, to many people, the best mechanical marker available. Why change. Who can be more of a mag than a mag.

Its niche marketing, know your market, and market to it. I'm sorry guys, making a mag competetive against the newest markers in a world of ramping, eyes, crappy paint, and accuracy by volume takes far more than most people are willing to do. Why try to be something you are not?

Mags are what they are. Niche marketting in paintball has been as successful as anything else. Lets consider Glen Palmer as the example. PPS is what it started out as, and they are still as popular as ever. Think of the "cutting edge" failures.

This is not a topic worthy of deep blue....

[hgp3fat]

Suggestions? Ok... I made a joke in another thread about MULE bodies (Mega Ultra Light Engineering) and actually had people ask me where to get them. AGD could find some way to make ULE stock, into MULE's (olive drab ones for the scenario guys, Government MULES).

For increased marketing, I suggested setting a Guiness World Record, and showed proof of how they could get free advertising from it.

I've seen it suggested they cut their losses with the Warp and team up with Q-Loader on a marker.

I have ideas on products and marketing I'll share with them (and you guys for free, I just want a free one). Newer automags use hpa only, but most people still have co2 tanks... well make a pod holder/cooling vest that uses circulating co2 to cool you down... In camouflage! Great for a teamup campaign with SpecOps or even OpsGear.

But does AGD really want a bigger share of the market? Or are they happy with their niche? Would you like to see the automag become the next ion? Or stay that cool band that you only know about... the one nobody else has ever heard, but they always say "That f'n rocks dude!"


edit- Move this to PB Talk...

[BigEvil]

Thats what aftermarket guys are for. Nothing keeping someone from buying the shiney, fresh, RPG mag with minor upgrades like ReTents, Viperblade triggers, Sub-Zero feednecks, etc.

LOL Blatant and shamless plug :-)

Like what...any suggestions?

Yes, we can talk. :-)