Is AGD DOA?

[Lohman446]

I've seen it suggested they cut their loses with the Warp and team up with Q-Loader on a marker.

TK once put up diagrams of a second generation warp that was marker incorporated... I wish it would have come around

[BigEvil]

TK once put up diagrams of a second generation warp that was marker incorporated... I wish it would have come around

I think they went as far as to patent it too. Something like that could be a hit with the scenario crowd.

[going_home]

I think they went as far as to patent it too. Something like that could be a hit with the scenario crowd.

http://www.turtlebackpack.com/

[Lohman446]

Not that its been discsussed before

http://automags.org/forums/showthrea...highlight=volt

[hipster]

my question is with so many new style frames and boards available why is left up to us to invent ways of using them you would think that AGD, would atleast offer not just ule rails but ones that are compatable with these new elctro frame ( worr frames, e-blades ,etc)

they don't need to cater to the tourny crowd just make adaptable components

a new smaller battery would be be good they made a few prototypes just didn't finish it

I would think it would be time to come up with new valve that runs off of low preassure, seeing as adjustable tanks are slowly becoming a thing of the past and most high pressure tanks barely put out 700-800 and recharge fast enough to keep up with the e-mag and x-mag

there is room to grow with out making a whole new gun ( but whole new gun would be great)

[eadtf]

Ditto

my question is with so many new style frames and boards available why is left up to us to invent ways of using them you would think that AGD, would atleast offer not just ule rails but ones that are compatable with these new elctro frame ( worr frames, e-blades ,etc)

they don't need to cater to the tourny crowd just make adaptable components

a new smaller battery would be be good they made a few prototypes just didn't finish it

I would think it would be time to come up with new valve that runs off of low preassure, seeing as adjustable tanks are slowly becoming a thing of the past and most high pressure tanks barely put out 700-800 and recharge fast enough to keep up with the e-mag and x-mag

there is room to grow with out making a whole new gun ( but whole new gun would be great)

DITTO ALL ABOVE...

I would love to see a 9 volt battery and a smaller battery housing...

[hipster]

lets not forget that all those bodies are slowly not being made any more the fact is many parts are harder and harder to find

[Muzikman]

Umm, to design a mag to work with a bolt on Electro frame would be a royal pain in the arse. AGD has always stuck to VERY tight tolorences for their guns because they have to. This is the reason so many MicroMags have had problems over the years. It's also the reason why a lot of Xmags have issues.

Now I am sure you are going to say, well, come out with a new gun, not a mag, that can use these frames. My question would be , why?

Tom built the emag with the solenoid and battery that it has for a reason. Now with the design of the ULT he could have gone with a much smaller 'noid and there for a much smaller battery. The problem is, the ULT came out after the Emag and AGD by that time was trying to avoid electros for legal and financial reasons.

[eadtf]

Umm, to design a mag to work with a bolt on Electro frame would be a royal pain in the arse. AGD has always stuck to VERY tight tolorences for their guns because they have to. This is the reason so many MicroMags have had problems over the years. It's also the reason why a lot of Xmags have issues.

Now I am sure you are going to say, well, come out with a new gun, not a mag, that can use these frames. My question would be , why?

Tom built the emag with the solenoid and battery that it has for a reason. Now with the design of the ULT he could have gone with a much smaller 'noid and there for a much smaller battery. The problem is, the ULT came out after the Emag and AGD by that time was trying to avoid electros for legal and financial reasons.

So according to you based on all of you arguing against innovation:

AGD does nothing at all to help develop the AGD line of markers because they will get sued for the trigger, solenoid, and auto software, so they should just leave well enough alone.

It's interesting how every other manufacture out there is doing all the above and not getting sued.

I suppose I would just like to see AGD on the map again and back in the stores.

[Muzikman]

So according to you based on all of you arguing against innovation:

AGD does nothing at all to help develop the AGD line of markers because they will get sued for the trigger, solenoid, and auto software, so they should just leave well enough alone.

It's interesting how every other manufacture out there is doing all the above and not getting sued.

I suppose I would just like to see AGD on the map again and back in the stores.

Where were you a couple years ago when there were very costly lawsuits flying left and right and good companies not able to take it and shutting down?

As for the ramping stuff. It's a matter of time before someone gets seriously hurt do tot he current rof and when it happens the industry will change and change fast. AGD has been involved with lawsuits in the past, they are smart people who worry more about your safety than their pocketbook. I would respect this instead of criticizing them for it.

The only way AGD will be back in it like they were in the 90's is to change the company name, build a totally new gun and sell it for under $300. I don't see that happening. AGD will always be connected with the Automag and the Automag will always be connected with the old stainless steel gund from the 90's. The only gun that was ever able to get out from the negative comments was the Autococker and that was becuase of the aftermarket folks. Mags are great stright from the mfg, cocker were not. It took a lot of aftermarket stuff to make a cocker a decent gun.

[eadtf]

I agree...

Where were you a couple years ago when there were very costly lawsuits flying left and right and good companies not able to take it and shutting down?

As for the ramping stuff. It's a matter of time before someone gets seriously hurt do tot he current rof and when it happens the industry will change and change fast. AGD has been involved with lawsuits in the past, they are smart people who worry more about your safety than their pocketbook. I would respect this instead of criticizing them for it.

The only way AGD will be back in it like they were in the 90's is to change the company name, build a totally new gun and sell it for under $300. I don't see that happening. AGD will always be connected with the Automag and the Automag will always be connected with the old stainless steel gund from the 90's. The only gun that was ever able to get out from the negative comments was the Autococker and that was becuase of the aftermarket folks. Mags are great stright from the mfg, cocker were not. It took a lot of aftermarket stuff to make a cocker a decent gun.

I agree with everything you said, except I still don't think the software will lead to lawsuits. 300fps 1BPS or 300fps 30BPS, so long as people are maintaining the current safety standards nobody will get sued. Just my opinion...

[Muzikman]

30bps increases the chances of lens failure, eye injury, head injuries and other bodily harm depending on distance you are shooting at. If the industry want to play safely with these high rates of fire, they need to re-think the safety equipment.

Trust me, there will be a serious injury or death and it will be because of the high ROF.

[hipster]

half of those frames are either discontinued, of have an entire seasons wait to get

[hipster]

so most of the good bodies are no longer in production half of the custom frame are not in production/ try to buy a new dal, karta or cord , a new hyper from center flag or fro GA devil not going happen

and the reasons why the e-mag and x-mag are like they are is over the court cases are over
so now would be the time to make it way it should have been

there is no design that with time and inovation can not be improved upon
not to mention bb eyes , bodies made for them eye covers for them, not re used eblade rubber or compound crap

the mag has a lot of potential which AGD could capitalize on and do better than small in home shops and prob cheaper to

[Muzikman]

half of those frames are either discontinued, of have an entire seasons wait to get

Ever wonder why?