How many of you would be interested in...

[wjr]

I'm thinking about making a batch of pneuframes. I'm talking to a machinist now about getting the frames made. It would be everything in a pneuframe (msv-2, mpa-3, QEV, fittings, hose) just minus the low pressure regulator. I don't know the price yet because I haven't gotten an estimate on how much it will cost to make the frame.

Anyone interested? I want to get an idea of how many people are interested before I get my first protoype made.

[Cow hunter]

if its like $120 to do it definetly, ask how much it would be if we supplied our own frames

[Pneumagger]

seems like a good idea. If it's a CNC machinist, send me some sketches and drawings and I'll make a pro-e or sldwks data file for the machinist. I may be able to generate the CNC codes if I know what he requires there too. This would save you a pretty penny or two

Best Idea would be to have an easily removable MPA-3 Mount block, then the piston could be remove easily for back to mech conversion. If it's a vert frame or has a bit more room, the LPR could go in too.

Just sell raw frames - like for people to just drop their own pneumatics (MPA-3 and MSV) into for like $100. Less work for you :)

[wjr]

seems like a good idea. If it's a CNC machinist, send me some sketches and drawings and I'll make a pro-e or sldwks data file for the machinist. I may be able to generate the CNC codes if I know what he requires there too. This would save you a pretty penny or two

Best Idea would be to have an easily removable MPA-3 Mount block, then the piston could be remove easily for back to mech conversion. If it's a vert frame or has a bit more room, the LPR could go in too.

Just sell raw frames - like for people to just drop their own pneumatics (MPA-3 and MSV) into for like $100. Less work for you :)

I've already got autocad, so If I find that he needs the model then I'll probably whip one up. Thanks for the offer though.

I've designed the top of the frame so that the mpa-3 will fit snugly and it will be further secured by set screws. I'll also make sure that it will work as a mech frame if the mpa-3 is taken out.


I have thought about just selling the raw frames. It all depends on how much they will cost me. I doubt many people would want one if it cost them 170-200.

if its like $120 to do it definetly, ask how much it would be if we supplied our own frames

I don't think that I want to just modify the existing frames. More problems are are assoiated with that. Also this guy is just going to machine the basic frame. I myself may end up drilling and tapping all of the neccesarry holes.

[Pneumagger]

if he's got the frames being cnced (I hope) just have him bore all the sraight holes and then deal with tapping an dbreaking of edges later. Infact, do like a UMF vert hybrid that uses the Dye DMC grips, then a LPR has a better chance of being internal.

Also guys remember for a small run of parts, it will probably be $125+ per raw frame + $30 worth of pneumatics + LPR. These frame could easily be $200. That is why I would almost rather wait for the DW hAir frame to come out for the same price, then at least it warrented and manufactured by an AGD affiliate. It would also have better designed-for-this-application pneumatics.

On a Side Note:
I spoke with a clippard application engineer the other day about the MPA-3 tolerences and rated workload of the actuator. He said anything around 2 cycles/sec is the designed workload for the MPA-3 and was astounded that we successfully run these things in excess of 20 cycles/sec.

[wjr]

if he's got the frames being cnced (I hope) just have him bore all the sraight holes and then deal with tapping an dbreaking of edges later. Infact, do like a UMF vert hybrid that uses the Dye DMC grips, then a LPR has a better chance of being internal.

Also guys remember for a small run of parts, it will probably be $125+ per raw frame + $30 worth of pneumatics + LPR. These frame could easily be $200. That is why I would almost rather wait for the DW hAir frame to come out for the same price, then at least it warrented and manufactured by an AGD affiliate. It would also have better designed-for-this-application pneumatics.

On a Side Note:
I spoke with a clippard application engineer the other day about the MPA-3 tolerences and rated workload of the actuator. He said anything around 2 cycles/sec is the designed workload for the MPA-3 and was astounded that we successfully run these things in excess of 20 cycles/sec.

What's differant about dye DMC grips?

Yeah, the DW hAir trigger would definately be better, but I've heard rumors that it most likely won't come out. Thats the reason why I decided on doing this little project. That and mabye making a few bucks.

Thats very interesting about the mpa-3. Do you know if anyone has had one crap out on them yet?

[slade]

I'm thinking about making a batch of pneuframes. I'm talking to a machinist now about getting the frames made. It would be everything in a pneuframe (msv-2, mpa-3, QEV, fittings, hose) just minus the low pressure regulator. I don't know the price yet because I haven't gotten an estimate on how much it will cost to make the frame.

Anyone interested? I want to get an idea of how many people are interested before I get my first protoype made.

first of all, AO is not going to give you an accurate measurement of how many people will purchase the pneuframes.

second, theres little point in hiring a machinist. that would cost quite a bit, and not much needs to be milled out in a frame anyway. you need to mill one area, and maybe drill and tap a few holes.

third, any production run of pneumatic frames would be subjected to PTP's patent. you would need their approval.

[wjr]

first of all, AO is not going to give you an accurate measurement of how many people will purchase the pneuframes.

Why wouldn't AO give me an accurate measurement? These are for automags after all.

second, theres little point in hiring a machinist. that would cost quite a bit, and not much needs to be milled out in a frame anyway. you need to mill one area, and maybe drill and tap a few holes.

I'm not modifying peoples frames, I'm making them from scratch. So I would need a machinist.

third, any production run of pneumatic frames would be subjected to PTP's patent. you would need their approval.

I'ts not going to be a "production run". They will be "custom" made and sold by preorder like the devil mag. I'm only making as many frames as I have orders for.

And about PTP's patent; Because I am "custom" making these and I don't have a business licence, I am fairly certain that the patent doesn't apply to me. Even if the patent does apply to me, then the worst that PTP can do is ask me to stop. Also I doubt that they would bother seeing as how I don't plan on making more then fifteen or so. That is of course if I make them at all. So far this thread has had 138 views and nobody has said that they would buy one.

[Pneumagger]

well wjr...I would buy one. And I'm fiarly certain that this would qualify as a production run, as the design is set and you are making them in a larger than prototype volume to sell.

And I already know of someone on AO (as I heard from them) that got a Cease and decist letter from PTP Simply, for gettin parts ready to make some pneuframes - just like your talking. But that AOer does do some darn nice work if you ask me

[wjr]

well wjr...I would buy one. And I'm fiarly certain that this would qualify as a production run, as the design is set and you are making them in a larger than prototype volume to sell.

And I already know of someone on AO (as I heard from them) that got a Cease and decist letter from PTP Simply, for gettin parts ready to make some pneuframes - just like your talking. But that AOer does do some darn nice work if you ask me

Wow. PTP really is protective about that patent. If they ask me to stop, then Ill just sell the frame without the internals. There is probably more of a market for that anyway.

[Cow hunter]

if i get one, i want it in my Z-grip, which hasnt been done before has it?

[wjr]

I don't think its ever been done before. It should be easy. From what I've seen in pictures they have lots of room in 'em.

[TackleDummy]

Sell the frame for one price and the parts separately as a kit? If everything works it wouldn't be hard for people to get parts where they should be in a frame designed to fit them.

[Cow hunter]

I don't think its ever been done before. It should be easy. From what I've seen in pictures they have lots of room in 'em.

well i woulnt go that far, theres not really all that much room in the Z, bt thats nothing a dremel wont solve, itll take a while, but im going to try and make it happen

[slade]

Why wouldn't AO give me an accurate measurement? These are for automags after all.

historically people on AO will show interest in an idea or product, but when its brought to market no one purchases it.

also, if PTP told you to stop you would lose all the money you put into the project as of that point in time, which could be quite a bit. although, they could do quite a bit more than tell you to stop. if you did market the frame, they could sue you for damage.

And I already know of someone on AO (as I heard from them) that got a Cease and decist letter from PTP Simply, for gettin parts ready to make some pneuframes - just like your talking. But that AOer does do some darn nice work if you ask me

who was that someone? i know jay warned Alpha about it, although that story got sort of blown out of proportion.