How many of you would be interested in...

[Chronobreak]

ptp wouldnt give me worries

however K2 is a differnt story if they somehow got wind of the project

as for who, i dont think we should be throwing names around unles that person wants to chime in themselves

btw i wouldnt be surprised if it was more than 1 person given a warning at this point
also deadlywind has a patent, although not sure if theyrs would pertain to you either, but thats another possible dead end


and finaly without final specs/pics/price i dont think your gonna get any pre-orders
also might wanna keep the total run count on the DL

[skriptal]

I would get one, making people prepay after seeing a production model would be the best bet though, as other have stated people will say "ill buy it", then not get it. prepay.

[wjr]

ptp wouldnt give me worries

however K2 is a differnt story if they somehow got wind of the project

as for who, i dont think we should be throwing names around unles that person wants to chime in themselves

btw i wouldnt be surprised if it was more than 1 person given a warning at this point
also deadlywind has a patent, although not sure if theyrs would pertain to you either, but thats another possible dead end


and finaly without final specs/pics/price i dont think your gonna get any pre-orders
also might wanna keep the total run count on the DL

I'm not taking preorders now. I'm just seeing if there are enough people interested to continue the project.

also, if PTP told you to stop you would lose all the money you put into the project as of that point in time, which could be quite a bit. although, they could do quite a bit more than tell you to stop. if you did market the frame, they could sue you for damage.

If PTP did ask me to stop, then I would just sell the frames without the pneumatics. I don't think the could sue me for that. As for the pneumatic parts; Ebay.

[Dirge]

OK. I'm in. Make a good looking frame.

[Lohman446]

Let me get this straight.

You are going to take prepayed orders for something and then have it built for you. You are, in this time, going to hope that K2 and others do not get wind of it and order you to cease and desist. Despite past experience with Nicad being told that before he had even attempted a production run.

I think your mention of "like the Devilmag" is overly optimistic on how this project is going to go, in terms of comparing the projects.

[Miscue]

Why wouldn't AO give me an accurate measurement? These are for automags after all.

Hahahaha... this gave me a laugh. I guess you haven't read your AO history book.

Tom Kaye: "Mother@#@**&$ AO *^&@#*(@gobblers! You said you'd buy it! *^&@#@!!!"

Multiply this a dozen or so times for other part making/selling folks who've also said the same thing.

We've also had stuff pre-paid... no product ever delivered. Money gone!

[wjr]

Let me get this straight.

You are going to take prepayed orders for something and then have it built for you. You are, in this time, going to hope that K2 and others do not get wind of it and order you to cease and desist. Despite past experience with Nicad being told that before he had even attempted a production run.

I think your mention of "like the Devilmag" is overly optimistic on how this project is going to go, in terms of comparing the projects.

Yes. I will be taking prepayed orders and then have them built for me. That will be after I have made one or more prototypes.

I'm not comparing the two projects. I just said that I'll be tatking preorders like GA devil did.

[wjr]

Hahahaha... this gave me a laugh. I guess you haven't read your AO history book.

Tom Kaye: "Mother@#@**&$ AO *^&@#*(@gobblers! You said you'd buy it! *^&@#@!!!"

Multiply this a dozen or so times for other part making/selling folks who've also said the same thing.

We've also had stuff pre-paid... no product ever delivered. Money gone!

No, I can't say that I have read my AO history book.

[RRfireblade]

Wow. PTP really is protective about that patent.

Ya think ? They have like between 10-20 thousand tied up in it. K2 now has a 'tad' bit more invested in it as well. What's your investment going to be ?


Oh , Don't forget DW has a patent too. Colin would probably be interested in a talk with you prior to retail.

Oh , and if you think your going to 'have made' complete frames milled from scratch , in low quantity, purchase and assemble all the parts , and then made ready for shipping and to retail these for ~ $120 I'm going to need one of 2 things from you ASAP....

What ever your smokin'

or

The phone number of that machine shop and parts suppliers.



Good luck tho.

[Chris_automag_07]

if i were you i would do them ONE at a time...and start the next one after you ship the first one...maybe have a list but take NO money untill the next person on the list comes.....or else you might end up in a DEVIL_MAG situation.

[slade]

Oh , and if you think your going to 'have made' complete frames milled from scratch , in low quantity, purchase and assemble all the parts , and then made ready for shipping and to retail these for ~ $120 I'm going to need one of 2 things from you ASAP....

What ever your smokin'

or

The phone number of that machine shop and parts suppliers.

the machine shop is home depot's dremel section, and the parts suppliers are a barrel of scrap aluminum and JB weld.

[slade]

if i were you i would do them ONE at a time...and start the next one after you ship the first one...maybe have a list but take NO money untill the next person on the list comes.....or else you might end up in a DEVIL_MAG situation.

do you have any idea how much it would cost to have a CNC machine shop make these frames, let alone one at a time?

[Chris_automag_07]

do you have any idea how bad of an idea it is to start a project without enough money up front?
im yet to see on eof these type projects go smoothly....i was just saying. i dont really care how much it costs, most people get pissed off when they pay for something and then have to wait a year and a half for it....if they ever get it. the fact is..depending on how many people are interested, it is many man hours.....and unless he has a group of people to help him......it will probably take an eternity or it will never happen. my 2 cents....dont really care if people dont like it....if you dont...just ignore it. wont bother me a bit.

[slade]

my 2 cents....dont really care if people dont like it....if you dont...just ignore it. wont bother me a bit.

you overcharged me



seriously though, thats the entire point. even without considering the legal aspects, the project is not very feasable. options:

fund the project himself based off interest of AOers.
drawback: he will have far fewer purchases than he expected based off of online interest, and will end up a few grand in debt with a bunch of expensive paperweights.

fund the project with preorders.
drawback1: he will most likely not get enough preorders
drawback2: even if he does, there will be complications to the project, people will complain, and it could end up as the devilmags did. probably the best option, and as you can see its not a great one.

make the frames upon receipt of an order.
drawback1: it will cost quite a bit more to make the frames one at a time than it would to make them in a production run... and a production run would be expensive.
drawback2: since it costs more, you will have even less orders.

[wjr]

Ya think ? They have like between 10-20 thousand tied up in it. K2 now has a 'tad' bit more invested in it as well. What's your investment going to be ?


Oh , Don't forget DW has a patent too. Colin would probably be interested in a talk with you prior to retail.

Oh , and if you think your going to 'have made' complete frames milled from scratch , in low quantity, purchase and assemble all the parts , and then made ready for shipping and to retail these for ~ $120 I'm going to need one of 2 things from you ASAP....

What ever your smokin'

or

The phone number of that machine shop and parts suppliers.



Good luck tho.

I never said I would sell them for $120. Mabye I'd sell just the raw frames for that much, but there is now way that I could sell one with all fot the pneumatic parts fot that low.

And also like I said, I haven't gotten a quote from the machinist yet. If it's too expensive, then I'll try and find an alternative. And correct me if I'm wrong, but aluminum isn't very expensive, so the machining would be the only expensive part.