Designing a "cheater" system

[Lohman446]

Last thread on the discussion from me, show patience

I've theoretically done it, with the help of certain people I know. There is a microswitch available that has two clicks through it, two points of activitation. I think it might be key to designing a perfect cheater board.

Imagine these points very close to each other, it would be hard to tell there were in fact two if you were not very familiar with the trigger pull that activites them.

If you pull all the way through its a single, normal trigger pull. This is what the vast majority of users (especially chrono judges) will feel.

However, if you pull into the first one, and not the second one, and hold the trigger there you can access secondary programming on the board.

This secondary programming is going to allow you to shoot as fast as your hopper will feed. Basically go into a default mode to fire the marker as soon as it sees the ball.

Better yet, we know that in addition to shooting at someone its good to be able to get the balls there quicker. So if you are in this second one it increases dwell, giving you a noticeable increase in velocity, and getting you that bit of extra range.

What do you think AO?

[geekwarrior]

um...this sounds just like the other thread...maybe sweetspotting an RT?

[SR_matt]

it was proven that increasing dwell doesnt show a substantial jump in fps and while its cool and all to see it happen it is low down and o ya CHEATING.

but any way these microswitches are interesting, what is the normal use for them or did u just rig 2 very light switches on top of each other?
-matt

[Lohman446]

IF I can't get my desired effect of shot increase through dwell (though I think I can by poorly tuning an LPR) then I'll look at what else the software can do.

Its microswitches.. not an RT

[REDRT]

Your useful post counter is dropping in to the negative.

[geekwarrior]

Its microswitches.. not an RT

well yeah....



you walked away from the sport because you hated the cheating, attitudes, and fashion show. While I realize youre being sarcastic or who knows what about these posts, reading between the lines you seem to be the one who is to concerned with winning.

[paintman1234]

wow rob are you thinking of marketing this? seems like you have been putting an aweful lot of thought into this

[onedude36]

I think that it will be caught if extensive anti-bouce measures are taken. When a ref checks for bounce usually the first thing they do is pull it reall slow, in an attempt to get it to bounce. I think that it would be caught quickly, though not deemed the diabolic ramping it is, and just accidental bounce. I think i have a better idea for gun cheats. I need to implement first though.

EDIT: besides, if i want my gun to ramp, i want it now, not when i find the sweetspot and the guy is already in snake. I think you'd have to have shot this particular trigger for years before you got good enough to make it worthwhile.

[Lohman446]

Fine, then space the clicks further apart. If you pull through both, release back through one, and then pull back through that one you get full auto...

[Cow hunter]

Fine, then space the clicks further apart. If you pull through both, release back through one, and then pull back through that one you get full auto...

sounds like a good idea in theory, i think you should experiment and refine the design.

/no matter what though, refs are gonna catch on sooner or later, and if you market it, chances are tourneys are gonna catch on fast.

[onedude36]

sounds like a good idea. Youd have to get your own code on the board then, that would be the hard part. Oh ya, when a ref sees your fingers not moving, and that thing is taking off, they get irritated quickly. I think its best if you have to still move the trigger at say >7 bps so no body can tell from >15feet away. maybe code activated? then a quick turn off system(hidden switch?) if a ref comes? maybe have it start a ramp sequence for at least 5 seconds(if you keep pulling like 7 or so, it keeps going), then if the trigger stops moving you have to re-activate it?

[CKY_Alliance]

it was proven that increasing dwell doesnt show a substantial jump in fps and while its cool and all to see it happen it is low down and o ya CHEATING.

but any way these microswitches are interesting, what is the normal use for them or did u just rig 2 very light switches on top of each other?
-matt

actually,on my friends dynasty shocker when the hpr wouldnt turn the fps...he had to use dwell....so how much of a difference it made im not sure but must have been pretty substantial..

there and easier way to make a cheater board...just do so u hold the trigger for so many seconds and it activates ramp..hold it for a lesser amount of seconds..it deavtivates it, then theres always membrane pad activation and such....i think you would run too high of a chance of it being found if you did this way....say the ref is rolling on it to check for like % ramp and he doesnt pull as far then he might catch it....idk...you thinking about making a ramp board or just want to see what everyones perspective on it is?...i recall you saying for legal reasons you will only ramp if its capped...so i doubt for personal use.....


cow~ refs can catch on all they want and notice the ramping, but if they cant find it or prove it theres not much they can do..i suppose if several refs notice more then once they could confinscate (sp) the gun for the day.

[Lohman446]

sounds like a good idea. Youd have to get your own code on the board then, that would be the hard part. Oh ya, when a ref sees your fingers not moving, and that thing is taking off, they get irritated quickly. I think its best if you have to still move the trigger at say >7 bps so no body can tell from >15feet away. maybe code activated? then a quick turn off system(hidden switch?) if a ref comes? maybe have it start a ramp sequence for at least 5 seconds(if you keep pulling like 7 or so, it keeps going), then if the trigger stops moving you have to re-activate it?

Not the hard part - my ex brother in law is fully capable, he is heavily involved in the design of electronic systems for the big three. The problem with code activation / deactivation, when I'm ref I have been known to pull guns, literally, to make certain a player could not change settings

[onedude36]

Not the hard part - my ex brother in law is fully capable, he is heavily involved in the design of electronic systems for the big three. The problem with code activation / deactivation, when I'm ref I have been known to pull guns, literally, to make certain a player could not change settings

so then have it de-activate on a timer. Gun is taken mid stream, timer starts, ref pulls player, timer ends, ramping gone, ref shoots gun, gun legal.

[REDRT]

Not the hard part - my ex brother in law is fully capable, he is heavily involved in the design of electronic systems for the big three. The problem with code activation / deactivation, when I'm ref I have been known to pull guns, literally, to make certain a player could not change settings

How hypocritical of you. Dreaming up a "cheater system", but crack down on player that "might". So it is ok for you? Just the other day it was a rant started by you about how cheating has spoiled the game and your quiting. Today your planing to be a sneakier cheater. What is the matter with you? Do you always play both sides of the issue? Your like a two faced politician. You can't continue to play both sides off the coin and expect people to view you as creditable. Nobody wins when they cheat. Cheating only cheats yourself.