What's the deal with speed???

[starchief1959]

I posted this on PBNation and realized after posting it that I'll just get a bunch of smart*** answers on it. Was wondering what AO thinks of it. - Thanks

I don't get it. Who really cares how fast your marker can fire when you're limited to 15bps anyways? Everyone always wants the "faster" marker when they all surpass the legal limit and are limited at that 15bps anyways.

What about other things that would make a difference like weight, accuracy, consistency, and ease of maintenance and so forth?

Why is speed of a marker SO important? Can someone please shed some light on this? Or even just your opinion on why you must have the fastest marker would even be good.

[warbeak2099]

As long as the gun has legal ramping with good, reliable software, it's fast enough. Of course, some guns may have boards capable of 30bps, but the software sucks (eyes, shot buffering, etc.) I'd rather have a board with really good software that only shoots 15 than a board that skips shots and has crappy eye programming that can shoot 30bps.

Aside from that, the gun's consistency, weight, efficiency, and reliability/maintenance are the most important.

[StygShore]

speed freaks

becasue speed is all there is left to talk about... all the e-guns do the same things now, they all have modes, and ramping, etc.

Now they are left with mechanically how can we get this gun to cycle the fastest so we can say - Our body is different, AND we can shoot 5bps faster than our competitors.

Bottom line - Shocker, Ego, DM - all shoot faster than anyone needs too. so speed should no longer be an issue for any gun.

efficiency is being worked on for most guns now, and they are pretty much as light as they can get. Last thing to do is get a little better durability built in to the mix... and the gun manufacturers are done.

Styg

[SpitFire1299]

Speed is kind of a noob thing to brag about. How fast you actually shoot is something to brag about.

[StygShore]

nooooobness

I keep laughing at all the noobs that post their new "gat" shooting in PSP or NXL modes and brag about it...

news flash - THEY ALL SHOOT THE SAME!!!!!!


It's all personal preferrence. Put the gun in tru semi mode ( no bounce at all ), and I will be impressed if most of them can get up over 9bps.


Styg

[starchief1959]

I keep laughing at all the noobs that post their new "gat" shooting in PSP or NXL modes and brag about it...

That's what I mean... Most markers have now caught up to each other and are on the same field as far as performance goes. Shouldn't other features matter more?

[Pneumagger]

I think the A1 was a stab at this. They tried to make a smaller lighter marker witha ton of features. Sure, it's still fast like an angel, but there are lot of little extras.

The reason kiddies care about BPS is because they are told to care. Many kids playing paintball are young enough that they don't have a true concept of money versus tradeoffs. They refuse to believe that a markers cost has no bearing on it's performance. Does an SL-66 ego cost $1800 to make: No...it might cost $400-500. I'll bet if dye produced the ION, and sold it for a little mroe, it would not get trashtalked as much.

BPS is about marketing to make more money. Companies and the teams they sponser tell playres faster is better and then the compnies charge higher profit margins for faster guns. You don't hear them saying in ads "This marker shoots faster, but you can't use it on the field, and were going to markup the price more than last year even though it's cheaper to produce this year"

Bottom Line: When your target customer is a young player with limited wisdom, there is no stronger advertisement to move merchandise than...."Mommy, I want one."

[Shirow]

The reason kiddies care about BPS is because they are told to care. Many kids playing paintball are young enough that they don't have a true concept of money versus tradeoffs. They refuse to believe that a markers cost has no bearing on it's performance. Does an SL-66 ego cost $1800 to make: No...it might cost $400-500. I'll bet if dye produced the ION, and sold it for a little mroe, it would not get trashtalked as much.

Bottom Line: When your target customer is a young player with limited wisdom, there is no stronger advertisement to move merchandise than...."Mommy, I want one."

Bingo. And when people read all day about how people at fields are shooting '30 bps' they feel like they need a gun like that to complete.

Most fields I go to, people are still running around with Spyders, Tippmanns etc and honestly, I'm damn glad. There was a video someone posted on here the other day of some field where people were non-stop wiping and screaming, cursing and bonus balling people and I thought to myself.. I am so freakin glad I live near Paintball Sams.

[starchief1959]

I think the A1 was a stab at this. They tried to make a smaller lighter marker witha ton of features. Sure, it's still fast like an angel, but there are lot of little extras.

The reason kiddies care about BPS is because they are told to care. Many kids playing paintball are young enough that they don't have a true concept of money versus tradeoffs. They refuse to believe that a markers cost has no bearing on it's performance. Does an SL-66 ego cost $1800 to make: No...it might cost $400-500. I'll bet if dye produced the ION, and sold it for a little mroe, it would not get trashtalked as much.

BPS is about marketing to make more money. Companies and the teams they sponser tell playres faster is better and then the compnies charge higher profit margins for faster guns. You don't hear them saying in ads "This marker shoots faster, but you can't use it on the field, and were going to markup the price more than last year even though it's cheaper to produce this year"

Bottom Line: When your target customer is a young player with limited wisdom, there is no stronger advertisement to move merchandise than...."Mommy, I want one."

That makes a lot of sense. Never thought about it that way.

And Shirow, when I go play lately I've been going to Scenario and Woodsball stuff because of the "Crankiness" out there on the speedball fields. But I ususally see Tippmanns, Spyders, etc. too. I always get a kick when a younger kid comes up and goes What's that? to my emag or even my RT.

[iambored]

The market knows that noobs are about speed and target them,when its electros in marketing we come second

[Shirow]

That makes a lot of sense. Never thought about it that way.

And Shirow, when I go play lately I've been going to Scenario and Woodsball stuff because of the "Crankiness" out there on the speedball fields. But I ususally see Tippmanns, Spyders, etc. too. I always get a kick when a younger kid comes up and goes What's that? to my emag or even my RT.

Yeah I know. The sad thing is I actually prefer Speedball but I just prefer the crowd at woodsball fields. And I get asked 'what's that' a lot about my warp ;p

[paintman1234]

Wanna know why? cause what noob isnt scared, impressed, or intimidated by speed. It is somthing to talk about around the chrono, and dont tell me you dont have an advantage with the fastest gun. My field is uncapped ramping and so are most of the tournies I attend.

Why would people by cars that go faster then 70mph if the speed limit is 70?

Im tired of this arguement coming up over and over again...

[kruger]

The same thing happens with cars. Do you need a car that will do 160? Nope. You can leagally go more than 70 in MOST states. But the "gotta have" casrs all are spec'd out at 280+ HP and top speeds of 140 or so. Its the sexiness of the item, the ability to say "look at what I got", its no different in the paintball industry. I agree with the 15bps cap. If you cant hit with 15, then you need to practice more. As I have said before in other threads, it does not matter what kind of gun that you have, or the max rate of fire that it is capable of, if you know its limitations, you will be effective with it. To me paintball is what you "do", not what you carry with you.

[Hexis]

Its the same thing as digital cameras. All anyone asks about is "how many megapixels". They think that's all that matters. Nevermind that many factors contribute to the final image quality. It's a simple number and more = better, never mind the real answer of "it depends.".

[SlartyBartFast]

The reason kiddies care about BPS is because they are told to care.