What's the deal with speed???

[WenULiVeUdiE]

I don't get it. Who really cares how fast your marker can fire when you're limited to 15bps anyways? Everyone always wants the "faster" marker when they all surpass the legal limit and are limited at that 15bps anyways.

What about other things that would make a difference like weight, accuracy, consistency, and ease of maintenance and so forth?

Why is speed of a marker SO important? Can someone please shed some light on this? Or even just your opinion on why you must have the fastest marker would even be good.

I am going to be as blunt as possible. If I offend anyone, too bad.

The constant mindset that everything is focused around newer faster guns it not necessarily true. In many of the recent guns that have been released, speed has not been the main selling point. Weight has turned into the main concern along with fire modes and special milling. The industry has reached a plateau. Speed is no longer a viable selling point. So do not think it is.

Consistancy is hard to advertise. Users may experience horrid consistancy due to odd bore paintor other factors outside of their control. Thus, it would be a viable option to analyze consistancy in advertising.

Weight, as previously metnioned, is somewhat of a selling point. Advertisers and manufacturers are weighing their guns in such fashions that they are made out to be 1.5lbs, when in reality they are 2.5lbs. However, many players are starting to realize that swtcihing guns because of a .2lb weight reduction is not worth it. Players are getting smarter in that respect.

Accuracy- Again, this is goes hand in hand with consistancy.

Speed is important because it is ingrained in the sport. We have all come to accept that speed is one of the main things that is needed in the sport of paintball. Keep in mind, your attitude is just a generalization of what is actually out there. Over on PbN, most of the members realize that the true cyclic speed does not mean much. Many people have built this myth that everyone is in search of the fastest gun out there. However, this not true. All guns are, for all intensive purposes, equal in speed.

Oh, and this "Well the legal limit is 15 bps" is just wrong. The amount of people who actually play in the PSP/NXL/CFOA or in those style tournaments is so low. The number of people who just go play recball far outnumbers those of the PSP/NXL/CFOA. It is just a rediculous argument to say that speed does not matter anymore because of the 15bps cap.


Yeah...

[kruger]

"Oh, and this "Well the legal limit is 15 bps" is just wrong. The amount of people who actually play in the PSP/NXL/CFOA or in those style tournaments is so low. The number of people who just go play recball far outnumbers those of the PSP/NXL/CFOA. It is just a rediculous argument to say that speed does not matter anymore because of the 15bps cap."

I beg to differ with you sir. I own a field and beleive it or not, the insurance industry does follow the "BPS cap" I have a woodsball/scenario field and we have a "loose" rule about bps. We usually allow unlimited ROF only when our regular adult players are at the field. If there is a bunch of kids, unexperienced players, then the BPS cap is enforced at the field. But, you are right, a vast majority of players are not in the tourneys. But, the vast majority of publicity comes from the speedball/pro players. And, that is what most people see.

[WenULiVeUdiE]

Fair enough. I guess such an observation completely depends on your location. At all the fields I have been to, there has never been an instated cap.

[kruger]

The BPS cap, for the owner, is just a litigation control matter. If a little kid gets over shot by a guy with a marker that is ramping at 20+ bps, and the parents decide to sue, a lawyer will certainly pound that bps cap to the fullest extent that it is worth. Now, having said that, it certainly is a lot of fun suppressing your opponests bunker with massive amounts of paint while your buddy moves to flank him. There is a place for high firepower in the game, but there is also the potential to abuse that rate of fire.

[Pneumagger]

I've only seen one person get checked for ramping ever, and it just turned out that hes was actually in semi. And honestly I don't really care if someone's ramping @ 15bps whether ramping is allowed or not. If someone is uncapped ramping, people will know. If there a guy I'm playing with that is shooting faster I'll say something polite to him or the ref, I won't make a big deal.
1st, I don't want shot at all much less than with a ramping gun faster than 15bps
2nd, I don't want someone on my team ramping faster than the 15BPS...it's cheap and low
3rd, If i have to, I can get strings of 13-15bps off without ramping

[thegrayghost]

all markers are on the same even keel as to speak, today...look at the prices how they have come down, from say, just 2 years ago...you can now find electros on everything now, especially low-end...they are all firing faster, and the bottom- line is the manufactures do not care, money counts...your marker may fire with the fastest, but wait until it breaks down, because a lot are made with, i call it a break-me-down factor parts...

i just like to go out there shoot some paintballs, have less break-downs, and have fun...

[starchief1959]

Wanna know why? cause what noob isnt scared, impressed, or intimidated by speed. It is somthing to talk about around the chrono, and dont tell me you dont have an advantage with the fastest gun. My field is uncapped ramping and so are most of the tournies I attend.

Why would people by cars that go faster then 70mph if the speed limit is 70?

Im tired of this arguement coming up over and over again...

I didn't mean to create an arguement, just asking a question. If I offend you I apologize.

I am going to be as blunt as possible. If I offend anyone, too bad.

No offense taken, just happy to see some answers to my questions.

Thanks to all who are replying.

[SCpoloRicker]

3rd, If i have to, I can get strings of 13-15bps off without ramping

I know you're a fan of teh Owls, so do you have a special request for me to put here?

[onedude36]

I know you're a fan of teh Owls, so do you have a special request for me to put here?

Canadians. please

[RRfireblade]

Same reason someone might , oh I don't know....

Put a 900hp , Blown , bored and stroked Aluminum BB Chevy in thier Chevelle.

Or....

A 300HP intercooled Aerodyne Turbo and a multiport NOS kit on their ZX12 when the Max Speed limit in the US is like 75.

Don't know anyone in particualar but I've known it to be done.












The REAL problem with paintball and the internet IMO , is Why anyone really cares what a bunch of pre pubesent teens who spend mor etime on a keyboard then a paintball feild think is cool or not.

[fire1811]

The way I look at it is let the noob/hype followers spend there money on the latest greatest thing. I don't buy into it so I'm not buying it.

I have owned damn near every gun at one time or another either bought or sponsored by and I have always come back to mags. Simple and reliable is all I need.

[REDRT]

The REAL problem with paintball is the internet IMO.
Too many opinions twisted around by too many. The game was better when we all were in the dark.

[dahoeb]

when i first started paintballing in 97ish, myself and others were pretty intimidated when we saw our first player with an angel on the field (while we had our prolites); the entire strategy of the game revolved around getting that one guy out!

back then though, if someone had a high end marker like a mag, cocker or angel, they were usually adults with significant pball experience and actual skill behind them (in my area at least).

anyways, its sort of funny, cause now, everyone at the field is shooting a lot faster than they were 10 years ago, but i'm almost indifferent between someone shooting 15 or 20bps anymore, its so common.

its almost a role reversal, i'm scared to death of the guy at my field that runs around with a '99 cocker one-ballin everyone , nowadays thats a sign of true skill imo.

as i was reading this thread, that little experience just kept popping in my head, maybe some of you might be able enjoy/relate to the irony.

[Lenny]

I can shoot pretty fast, and I hate any modes other than semi (or auto for rec/scenario), but I seldom "need" that rof. Like I always say, "I use my speed as a tool to win, not a krutch." It is mostly marketing. If a company can make a person think they will have an advantage, they have bought the person.

What I've always wondered is what happened to the 13bps rule from not too long ago? I know Hyperframes and what-not all obeyed it. What happened?

[starchief1959]

Same reason someone might , oh I don't know....

Put a 900hp , Blown , bored and stroked Aluminum BB Chevy in thier Chevelle.

Or....

A 300HP intercooled Aerodyne Turbo and a multiport NOS kit on their ZX12 when the Max Speed limit in the US is like 75.

Don't know anyone in particualar but I've known it to be done.












The REAL problem with paintball and the internet IMO , is Why anyone really cares what a bunch of pre pubesent teens who spend mor etime on a keyboard then a paintball feild think is cool or not.

Guilty on the cars. Only at the track though, can't stand road racing and putting people in danger. That's another topic though....