All Downhill From Here?

[gibby]

I think that if AGD realeased some unknown prototype, like a new valve, gun, or something, they could get back to the top of the market. I think mags are for educated players who are a little old school (not saying every mag owner is, especially ones with the awesome mods in the photo gallery) because mags are a fairly simple design, are easy to take apart, and repair. I think AGD will come out with a new product that will make them more famous. I will be sporting my new mag + warp at the 28 days after scenario at fox4. I hope to turn heads, and possibly make new maggers (if that's the right word for it).

Honestly, I wouldn't hold my breathe waiting for something new to come out of AGD. I think all they are doing is continuing their support to their loyal user base. I also don't think it's as easy as you think when it comes to creating something new and revolutionary. First, it costs a lot of money. I don't think AGD makes enough to fund something like that. Heck, keeping this forum online is a hit on their budget!

As for the "mags are for the educated" statement, I don't know about that. In fact, I would almost say that's a pretty ignorant thing to say.

Funny, I used to think just like you when I went out on the field. I felt compelled to "educate" others on mags but in the end, it didn't have much of an affect. I also shot a warped mag at one point in time too. Sure, it turned people's heads, but I don't think it sold them on it. Especially now where the trend is to see who can have the lightest and smallest set up? The warped mag just comes across as something bulky and heavy. Besides, the reputation of the mag will never go away unless AGD takes the time and resources to come up with something "new." I just don't see that happening any time soon.

I say, forget about trying to "educate" the rest of the pb world. Just go out, play, and have fun. Besides, if you really feel that your mag is above the rest, why reduce your advantage to the other player on the field by selling him a mag?

[Lohman446]

in my opinion, yes. I see 1 autococker for everey 5-6 mags. Autocockers are supposed to be pretty common. But I guess thier not. mabe this is different for places other than massachusetts.

ANd how many Shockers per mag?

DMs? Timmies? Ions?

[don miguel]

ANd how many Shockers per mag?

DMs? Timmies? Ions?

I do see a few shockers but to tell you the truth I have never seen a timmy anywhere but in a proshop. Dm's are too expensive and nobody around here has them, or that I know of.

[warbeak2099]

Idkn, you must live in the boonies, but mags are not popular. They are some of the least popular guns out there. Even cockers are more popular. What are you basing these observations on, what you see on AO lol?!

[don miguel]

Idkn, you must live in the boonies, but mags are not popular. They are some of the least popular guns out there. Even cockers are more popular. What are you basing these observations on, what you see on AO lol?!

I have been too four pantball parks in my life cape cod paintball, PNL, and fox4 twice. All of those times someone or two people had a mag(s), everyone else has angels or low end spiders. But everyone with angels "had" a cocker but upgraded too an angel. Since autocockers are supposed to be popular, I have not seen many at all. Only on websites, and a girl had a karnivor once at fox4. that is where I am basing my knowledge. mabe I doo live in the bonnies of massachusetts, but one question are you saying mag owners live in the "boonies"? If you are one you kinda insulted yourself. mabe thats not what you were trying to say?

[warbeak2099]

Well, upon clicking on your homepage it leads you to a woodsball team. There you go, you're playing at a woods field. Of course you aren't going to find all the most popular, latest technology out there when you play. Obviously mags, spyders and tippmanns are going to be the norm. You go to a speedball field and you will see a major difference.

Lol, I also find it cute that you guys use the field positions from spec ops. "dagger" lol...

[Recon by Fire]

"Going down hill" = here today, forgotten tomorrow paintball company?

I wouldn't bother to even listen to a store keeper's information like that garbage. They just want to push what they are selling and making money off of. Just another episode of "AGD closed it's doors" if you ask me.

[warbeak2099]

At the same time, there was some truth to it. AGD is in no way dead. They're doing fine in the scenario and rec market. But it's also true that Mags are not popular anymore. They are a niche gun like Blazers.

[Carbon]

agd, not going downhill. But certainly not going uphill either.

[benzy2]

There isnt anything left to do to the gun really other than maybe make it more efficient which would take a lot of work and money. AGD has its customers it needs to stay open. They have never been into all the advertising. They have never been about hype. And they will never become the must have new thing with that attitude. Its not a bad thing and I enjoy being the only person with a mag. They have a solid mech product. What else do you really want them to do. They have never came out with a new marker each year, tweaking little things like so many of the more popular guys. They know where they are and they are happy enough with it. They just reached the top of the hill and put it in park.

[Pacifist_Farmer]

Ok, I also live in MA.

And nearly everyone here, besides you apparently, knows that the guys a BP supply lie like rugs. They exist to make money, and if you set foot inside their store your just a mark.

If you honestly never see a dm, cocker, timmy, or shocker at a field you must be playing rogue ball. At fox 4 for every Tippman there is at least one of the aforementioned. In fact there tend to be more Ion's than Tippmans. Last week I saw two mag's at the field, and one of them was in my bag.

AGD is not dead and as long as there are people who get angry at people who ask that question with looking to see if someone else has just asked it, it won't die.

Please do a little searching before you post stuff like this and the which is better threads, its all been beaten to death.

[don miguel]

There isnt anything left to do to the gun really other than maybe make it more efficient which would take a lot of work and money. AGD has its customers it needs to stay open. They have never been into all the advertising. They have never been about hype. And they will never become the must have new thing with that attitude. Its not a bad thing and I enjoy being the only person with a mag. They have a solid mech product. What else do you really want them to do. They have never came out with a new marker each year, tweaking little things like so many of the more popular guys. They know where they are and they are happy enough with it. They just reached the top of the hill and put it in park.

I do agree being one of the few with a mg, makes people ask questions about it.

[don miguel]

Ok, I also live in MA.

And nearly everyone here, besides you apparently, knows that the guys a BP supply lie like rugs. They exist to make money, and if you set foot inside their store your just a mark.

If you honestly never see a dm, cocker, timmy, or shocker at a field you must be playing rogue ball. At fox 4 for every Tippman there is at least one of the aforementioned. In fact there tend to be more Ion's than Tippmans. Last week I saw two mag's at the field, and one of them was in my bag.

AGD is not dead and as long as there are people who get angry at people who ask that question with looking to see if someone else has just asked it, it won't die.

Please do a little searching before you post stuff like this and the which is better threads, its all been beaten to death.

that is a very good, point, aI have been sold alot of overpriced crap at BP. Last two times I went to fox4 everyone there had a5's or 98's even speedballers. There were about four kids with angels, and I say a bunch of spiders and an ego. Me and 4 other kids had a mag. Thats how it worked. It probably differs from time to time, but I honestly dont think that mags aren't popular.

[warbeak2099]

that is a very good, point, aI have been sold alot of overpriced crap at BP. Last two times I went to fox4 everyone there had a5's or 98's even speedballers. There were about four kids with angels, and I say a bunch of spiders and an ego. Me and 4 other kids had a mag. Thats how it worked. It probably differs from time to time, but I honestly dont think that mags aren't popular.

Compared to other guns they aren't. They are niche guns like I said before. There isn't a terribly huge amount of people running out and buying them. There's a relatively small, but loyal customer base. Dye, SP, Tippmann, Kingman, NPS, WDP, all sell way more units than AGD. They are not popular compared to the other name brands. Capice?

[AGDRetro]

I have had alot of people show an intrest in my Mag (mostly starts with "what the heck is that!?") and while it intrests them the majority of players don't want anything oddball or unique. Many younger players only want to be the first among their friends to have the "new gun".

AGD could spend a ton on marketing and create a new body style every other month & hype the crap out what they have to offer... but they aren't Bob Long. Tom was never into selling us a bunch of BS, and that continues to be the attitude we get out of AGD. Personally I love and support it, as long as it keeps them in business. The fact that the Mag was originally introduced in '92 (am I off by a year?) and is still in production is a testament to its great design and reliability, where newer guns like the Impulse are out of production and I can't see anyone supporting those things a few years from now. The Defiant 2, there was a winner of a gun, so awesome it could only be produced for a year! Who is gonna have the parts to support that 2-3 years from now?

The Mag was designed to perform and built to last, and I really do not mind being the oddball at my field who has the same gun year after year, that continues to perform like new while other players dump more money into the "latest & greatest". The older it gets, the more heads it will turn!