best electric paintball gun that uses CO2?

[CoolHand]

I would NOT recommend the use of CO2 on an electro to the average paintballer. MOST people don't have the patience/intelligence/knowledge to set up and use the marker properly without damaging it.

CO2 is an acidic gas, that IS a fact. However its NOT corrosive enough to cause problems to any part of a paintball marker. There are many types of acid that have no effect on rubbers and plastics. IIRC some acids were stored in plastic bottles, others in glass w/ rubber stoppers in science....


If you are looking for an inexpensive and durable CO2 rig look into Spyders and Tippys. The tippy valve was made to work properly even on liquid CO2. I would still recommend the use of an anti-siphon, remote, and or an expansion chamber. In extremely cold weather consider using a siphon tank....

Sure, it is acidic, but it's so mild that it's basically not. Calling CO2 acidic is like calling a roller skate a car. Sure they've both got four wheels, and they can take you from A to B, but in practice they are two very different things.

If CO2 being a mild acid when dissolved in water is the only thing that someone can come up with to make it an inferior power source, I think they're really reaching for an excuse.

If PB guns were made out of pretzels, it'd be a different story. . . . . . . .

[punkncat]

Sure, it is acidic, but it's so mild that it's basically not. Calling CO2 acidic is like calling a roller skate a car. Sure they've both got four wheels, and they can take you from A to B, but in practice they are two very different things.

If CO2 being a mild acid when dissolved in water is the only thing that someone can come up with to make it an inferior power source, I think they're really reaching for an excuse.

If PB guns were made out of pretzels, it'd be a different story. . . . . . . .

By no means was I saying that its acidity causes problems, nor is what makes it inferior as a power source. I stated clearly that its acidity could cause no problems in a marker. At least not within the usable life of the equipment and o rings. What makes it inferior is its instability and tendency to do rude things to the inside of a marker unless set up correctly.

People can argue all they want. HPA IS SUPERIOR to CO2 in all aspects save efficency and INITIAL cost...ie the tank. Slice it, dice it, it would take one super convincing argument and some facts that I haven't learned in my years using it to sway me. The ONLY time I prefer it is when I am going to play somewhere on limited air or very large fields......supposed efficency of my viking may eliminate that as well.

[electriceel125]

If PB guns were made out of pretzels, it'd be a different story. . . . . . . .

That made my day.

Now i must locate some pretzels to eat.

[CoolHand]

By no means was I saying that its acidity causes problems, nor is what makes it inferior as a power source. I stated clearly that its acidity could cause no problems in a marker. At least not within the usable life of the equipment and o rings. What makes it inferior is its instability and tendency to do rude things to the inside of a marker unless set up correctly.

People can argue all they want. HPA IS SUPERIOR to CO2 in all aspects save efficency and INITIAL cost...ie the tank. Slice it, dice it, it would take one super convincing argument and some facts that I haven't learned in my years using it to sway me. The ONLY time I prefer it is when I am going to play somewhere on limited air or very large fields......supposed efficency of my viking may eliminate that as well.

I read your post, and I knew you weren't saying that. Notice I did not say "you", I said "someone", just making a general comment that it would make for an exceptionally lame excuse to not use CO2.

I've never said that HPA isn't better than CO2, but that doesn't automatically make CO2 BAD or useless.

I run HPA on nearly all my electros, since we have a compressor now, but all my pumps and my FreeFlow cocker run off of CO2 only.

Mostly I reply to these kinds of threads just because I hate seeing junk information being passed on as gospel (not directed at you, I'm looking at DM with that one ).

I never said it was way better or anything, I just said it was possible, and doesn't work badly at all.

[punkncat]

I read your post, and I knew you weren't saying that. Notice I did not say "you", I said "someone", just making a general comment that it would make for an exceptionally lame excuse to not use CO2.

I've never said that HPA isn't better than CO2, but that doesn't automatically make CO2 BAD or useless.

I run HPA on nearly all my electros, since we have a compressor now, but all my pumps and my FreeFlow cocker run off of CO2 only.

Mostly I reply to these kinds of threads just because I hate seeing junk information being passed on as gospel (not directed at you, I'm looking at DM with that one ).

I never said it was way better or anything, I just said it was possible, and doesn't work badly at all.

When you quoted me I figured you were directing the statement my way. CO2 is definatly useful. For those unable to get HPA fills, playing renegade, whatever, it makes this thing possible.

Thanks for the clarification.

[CoolHand]

When you quoted me I figured you were directing the statement my way. CO2 is definatly useful. For those unable to get HPA fills, playing renegade, whatever, it makes this thing possible.

Thanks for the clarification.

Yeah, I can see how one could take it like that.

Sorry for the confusion, it was my fault for not being more clear.

Happens to me a lot, I am afraid.

[athomas]

When used with a Palmers stabilizer, an AIR valvesd emag will work very well on CO2.

[warbeak2099]

When used with a Palmers stabilizer, an AIR valvesd emag will work very well on CO2.

Don't forget anti-siphon!

[craltal]

Don't forget anti-siphon!

if he's running it on gun, then yes, but if he's running remote then he wouldn't want to.

[Shane-O-Mac]

How can comp air be bad for your gun? It's in gaseous form all the time.

Btw, go for the EVO Pirhana. Spyders are overpriced for what else is on the market. You can pick up EVO's for $120-130 when those stupid VS Spyders are $250. That's more than an Ion and an Ion is BETTER.

It's not the HPA gas that can be bad for your gun, its the quality of the HPA for one. I have seen many moreg guns go down due to "Dirty" air than on Co2. Now that alot of fields and shops have compressors, they usally dont maintain them properly. That gets water/dirt and debris into the tank and then into your tank. It causes regulator failures or allowing the regs to spike sending higher than wanted pressures into your gun/regs. Also, screw-in HPA regs are not very consistant. From a full 4500psi to 1000psi, the pressure output can swing as much as 200-300psi higher. Thats the nature of regulators, but good regs dont swing that much. So if that swing of pressure goes to a cheap reg like a stock spyder reg, your gun will see more fluctuations, and possible damage the secondary reg or Blow hoses.

Co2 with a properly set-up AS tube, will maintain a more consistant pressure, unless you put the tank out in the sun. Realize that Co2s pressure output is tempature related. So if you start the day out at 60 degrees, and that afternoon gets to 80 degrees, the output pressure of Co2 will go up. Thats why a good regulator is KEY for using Co2 on electros.

Shane-O

[cyrus-the-virus]

It's not the HPA gas that can be bad for your gun, its the quality of the HPA for one. I have seen many moreg guns go down due to "Dirty" air than on Co2. Now that alot of fields and shops have compressors, they usally dont maintain them properly. That gets water/dirt and debris into the tank and then into your tank. It causes regulator failures or allowing the regs to spike sending higher than wanted pressures into your gun/regs. Also, screw-in HPA regs are not very consistant. From a full 4500psi to 1000psi, the pressure output can swing as much as 200-300psi higher. Thats the nature of regulators, but good regs dont swing that much. So if that swing of pressure goes to a cheap reg like a stock spyder reg, your gun will see more fluctuations, and possible damage the secondary reg or Blow hoses.

Co2 with a properly set-up AS tube, will maintain a more consistant pressure, unless you put the tank out in the sun. Realize that Co2s pressure output is tempature related. So if you start the day out at 60 degrees, and that afternoon gets to 80 degrees, the output pressure of Co2 will go up. Thats why a good regulator is KEY for using Co2 on electros.

Shane-O

AKA palmer reg's,

[Skoad]

CO2 does not 'eat' things. However freezing/unfreezing is usually the culprit.

[Richter]

I would say get a act tippmann 98 with a was board
here it is at paintball gear

or get the one with 2 finger trigger

you can shoot this with co2 all day long

[Oregon_pb_]

Being in Pball before HP was even availible, I swing more towards Co2 in multiple situations. At big games i'll run HP due to it being availible at 4500psi, but most the time this HP is fairly dirty and can cause problems in the long run.

At the house or small rec day in the woods, I prefer Co2 for the fact that I can run off my 20lb Co2 tank for a year, solo. Its cheap to get it filled and works great bc my gun is set up for it when I run it. I'm not concerned about my co2 being dirty either, its cleaner than most all air fills.


20Lb Co2 Tank to fill is around $20 - Lasts me 6 months to a year depending on gameplay

1 scuba tank I have costs probably $5 (haven't filled in a year since little use of HP) to fill - Lasts me 2 game days or 1 month







"Accuracy by volume has been, and will remain, the best way to score eliminations" Tom Kaye

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[craltal]

Y'all bring up a great point about an HPA fill being only as good as the filler. I've only used air from a scuba station, so I know they maintain their equipment since they are breathing it at depth. When the only use is for paintball, I'm a bit more leery.

Most CO2 will be food grade, meaning it's meant for human consumption so it's going to be clean.