medium to low cost (everyone look here)

[Tao]

what exactly makes a high grade gun.? like what differs a 06 ego from a vicking to a PMR to a mini to an ephiany to a DM7 to an Xmag and so on.
dont talk about accuracy because there are too many variables.
but really aside from and automag valve (fastest recharging on the planet) there is really no difference. eyes dont really get better if the beam breaks the beam breaks no question about it. most of the mid cost guns weigh less the the more expencive ones many have the same boards or very similar. so what differs the guns that cost 1000+ compared to the ones around $300-$500 ? am i the only one who fails to see the reasoning on spending a grand on a gun that isnt much different from one thats about half the cost?

please dont say just get a mag or anything like that or just get this or that gun it can get really annoying

don and triangle please dont post unless it is valad and NO ARGUEING you two

Well some markers work generally better than others, some have their own quirks, some have looks that people prefer over the others....it can be compared to cars....american made cars at least Ford and Chevy for the most part suck. Japanese made are generally much higher quality, and more inovative designs. People still keep going to the same old thing though, it seems to be human nature. Basically if you want an answer you will have to delve into the realm of psychology.

[jenarelJAM]

I try not to buy into the whole high-end status thing. Both times I've bought a marker besides a spyder, I've bought it regardless of price, but because that was the #1 marker I wanted at that point. Emag, cause of the low maintenance, e/hybrid/mech, lvl 10, single tube, a few other things. Viking because of the low maintenance, removable bolt(turn around for dry fire :P), and just the overall positive reviews about them.
I mean, many people don't even know what emags and vikings are, and so don't associate them under "high end." Do I care? Not really... Am I sorry I made the purchases? Well, only that I bought the emag new instead of used. Other than that, not at all.

When I look on the field, I admit, I do at first look classify the players by the markers they are shooting. As the day goes on however, I tend to notice which players make it on skill, and which tend to make it(or not ) on equipment.The only reason the guys with timmies tend to win(at rec...) more is because they shoot more, not because they move up that often or play harder imo. I'm actually starting to become very very interested in a pump gun, simply because I don't really enjoy competitive paintball, and rec is too easy when you can hold down the entire other side of the field by yourself on rec... There's no skill involved in doing that. It's fun for awhile, but then it gets boring, and all the first-timers on the other team have a bad day, etc. So anyways, the point of this kinda off-topic paragraph is just to explain how spending all the extra money on a high-end marker is kinda a waste. I mean, spending the money on a marker that feels really nice to shoot is perfectly fine, but alot of people spend the money just so other people think they're good, even when they can't play at all.

/Yes, I have spent quite a bit on paintball equipment
//Yes, I've enjoyed the attention when people realize how much I've spent.
///And then at times like this, when I come back to AO, I realize how stupid I must look to the rest of the world.
////Thanks AO, you guys keep my grounded.
/////Behemoth and Triangle especially
//////Think I've used enough of these <--- ?

[Arstron]

Guns that cost $1200:

DM6, DM7
Ego 6, Ego 7
Angel 1
there are more...but,

Which $350 gun do you have that weighs less and is MORE durable. I gotta hear this.

The fusion hasnt been meantioned yet, and although it does not win in the weight catagory (2lbs 5 ounces with asa but no barrel), it is every bit as durable and fast as the others you listed. I have put mine threw quiet a bit with only one problem and I bought one of the first fusions released. The customer service I have to say has been better then the companies listed above. They have a 2 day turn around on any of hte guns that have been sent in for repair and for some that complained about the gun being broke they replaced it with a brand new one. Thats pretty impressive for a gun that only cost $375 if you ask me.

On a side note, I do prefer my fusion to any of the newer matrix, ego, angel, intimidator, markers that I have tried.

[Lohman446]

american made cars at least Ford and Chevy for the most part suck. Japanese made are generally much higher quality, .

Tell me you have some basis for that and are not just spewing what you think is cool.

Pretty sure you don't?

But.. but Consumer Report are seldom experts in the field they report on

[jenarelJAM]

I think he means that japanese cars usually last longer, with less maintenence, and more gas mileage, than american cars...

[Lohman446]

I think he means that japanese cars usually last longer, with less maintenence, and more gas mileage, than american cars...

You base that on?

[Piranti]

Tao that may have been true in the 70's 80' and first half of the 90's. American carmakers have come a long way and in fact most small to midsize american cars are actually japanese models with different nameplates.

Ford - Mazda (take a look at the ranger and a b200 or whatever mazda is calling thiers now)

Dodge - Mitsubishi Engines/transmissions even as far back as the 80's gt200 and the Dodge version (forget name offhand)

Chevy - forget who thiers is offhand.

As for mileage, American models have either caught up or surpass them now in most of thier class lines.

As for durability/reliability.... well most American carmakers are now coming with standard warranty packages which surpass Honda and Toyota.

Now don't get me on the Prices of American vs. japanese (well Honda/Toyota). Seems nowadays can get more car for less from an American car than either Toyota or Honda.

If either company went back to thier roots of the 70's and early 80's then they would be all people hype them up to be.

[Lohman446]

Tao that may have been true in the 70's 80' and first half of the 90's. American carmakers have come a long way and in fact most small to midsize american cars are actually japanese models with different nameplates.

Ford - Mazda (take a look at the ranger and a b200 or whatever mazda is calling thiers now)

Dodge - Mitsubishi Engines/transmissions even as far back as the 80's gt200 and the Dodge version (forget name offhand)

Chevy - forget who thiers is offhand.

As for mileage, American models have either caught up or surpass them now in most of thier class lines.

As for durability/reliability.... well most American carmakers are now coming with standard warranty packages which surpass Honda and Toyota.

Now don't get me on the Prices of American vs. japanese (well Honda/Toyota). Seems nowadays can get more car for less from an American car than either Toyota or Honda.

If either company went back to thier roots of the 70's and early 80's then they would be all people hype them up to be.

Although American cars often brand foreign vehicles (Festiva, Aveo etc) many "foreign" vehicles are actually American

The B2000 / Ranger are actually a Ford design given Mazda nameplates, ditto the Explorer / Navajo. - though Ford owns a good share of Mazda, so no surprise.

The Eclipse / Talon / Laser, Stealth / G2000(whatever it was) were joint ventures between Chrysler and Mitsubishi, not exactly Japanese designs. Ditto the Matrix / Vibe (Toyota / GM).

Please don't even bring up the 70s Japanese cars and quality in the same sentence, they were pretty much jokes until the late 70s

[jenarelJAM]

You base that on?

My limited personal experience.
Every car my family has owned has been japanese, and (other than my mom's minivan) has gotten between 32 and 40 mpg. I drive a 96 civic, 147k miles, and since I've been driving it(over a year), it's had zero problems.
When we go to new york over the summer and rent a car, rental companies always stick us with something american. I have yet to drive an american car that gets over 24 mpg(I'm sure they exist, but I haven't driven one). Also, the interior always feels poorly designed to me.
Then there's the fact that a civic is incredibly cheap...

I'm not a car person, and my statement was not meant to offend. It is just what I have seen in my experience. I'm sure that American cars are sought for other reasons, and I am willing to be corrected if I am wrong.

[Altimas]

Yeah and even a lot of the Foreign cars are made by American factories now, Like Mercedes M Classes are all built in Alabama...So are some of the Hyundai cards...and the Toyota trucks are also made here now.

[Lohman446]

My limited personal experience.
Every car my family has owned has been japanese, and (other than my mom's minivan) has gotten between 32 and 40 mpg. I drive a 96 civic, 147k miles, and since I've been driving it(over a year), it's had zero problems.
When we go to new york over the summer and rent a car, rental companies always stick us with something american. I have yet to drive an american car that gets over 24 mpg(I'm sure they exist, but I haven't driven one). Also, the interior always feels poorly designed to me.
Then there's the fact that a civic is incredibly cheap...

I'm not a car person, and my statement was not meant to offend. It is just what I have seen in my experience. I'm sure that American cars are sought for other reasons, and I am willing to be corrected if I am wrong.

You're wrong . Comparable American cars compare favorably to there foreign counterparts.

As to the great "life" of foreign cars - FYI, most foreign car owners take far better care of there vehicle than there American counterpart, and are more considering of the factory maintenance schedule.

[mr.mag218]

to me its wow factor. what braging rights you get for fancy milling, and "extremely high efficiency." and of course the super duper high 125bps shooting capabality. personally, i like mags alot and i've shot every gun on the market. i dont notice high kick, or how cool my guns looks when im intensly focused on who's shooting at me.