why are emag so expensive??

[rkjunior303]

save yourself 500 and buy a viking (or a cyborg).

lighter
faster
more efficient
just as reliable.

[Tao]

that is a good point., but is it like agd has nothing lose( its not like they are flyingoff the agd shelves) :rofl: . if nobody buys the emags, i think selling onme for 600-700 is better than not selling any period, if they sell one for 6---700 they got to be making some money. some money is better than no money. or have a emag sale for a few weeks and put them on sale for for 700! i would so buy one in a blink of a eye. i have had many friends who would buy a emag buy thr price turns them off, i think a sale will increase the profit if people but more.



its a win win situation

Well it is not that simple unfortunately. With Supply and demand there is an optimum point of what price to sell them at (where the supply and demand curves intersect). For example if the price is set at 1000 they may sell 100 and if the price is set at 700 they may sell 110, sure they sell more but they net less money. At one point this price may have been to high, but now people will pay more for a marker with looks rather than a tube. It doesn't have eyes either with is a huge disadvantage. They mostlikely are better off keeping their price and selling to this niche market of players looking for top quality not top agg.
This is just theory of cource it all depends on what the cost of an emag is, what the cost of an emag with double or tripple output than the current output and wether or not they will sell that many at the new lower cost price.
Airgun should at least be greatful that they are making a profit on them (well I assume that they are). Sometimes at the profit maximizing price a company will still be suffering a loss.

[Tao]

AGD is not agg and never will be. They are a niche market that will not grow enough, not with the majority of player playing speedball.

They made their business decision MANY years ago and have stuck by it. The money is not to be made by making a reliable product, it's actually counterproductive.

Edit:
Correct, they aren't making more. You can thank Smart Parts and their patent.

Smart parts had nothing to do with it really, they did get the ball rolling for agd discontinuing their products, but any company is free to make an electronic marker (as far as I know this is the final result of the law suits).

[Tao]

The mag is a classic design, made so it doesn't have to be re-made from year to year. Other companies keep shaving inches and metal off their guns; AGD has had one of the most compact designs since 1991. Other companies added regs, AGD guns had them to begin with.
Other companies make their guns faster while AGD guns were capable of 16+ cps in an era where other guns couldn't do half of that. A select few other companies have taken this approach, like Palmer's with their Typhoons or CCI with the Phantom. Some guns just don't need to be changed.

Part of the reason AGD guns haven't changed all that much is because Tom intended them to be backwards compatible so that users could keep their gun and upgrade it rather than shelling out for the latest design just to replace it with each new year (i.e. DM3, 4, 5, 6, 7...). The AutoMag was designed with the user in mind, moreso than making money. How effective is this? I can take Classic valve built in 1994, put on a set of Emag lowers and shoot the 15 bps limit just like every other gun on the market. Hell, Smart Parts claims to have invented electronics, but do you think a Shoebox Shocker can do 15 bps? Can I put a bolt from a 98 STO in a modern Black Magic? Can I clean an Angel with a hose, leave it aired up for 3 months, and still expect it to work?

It all depends on what you want out of your gun. Some have to have a featherweight gun-of-the minute. Some like to know they've invested in quality--because quality always shoots straight.

Great post!!
If you would allow me to add one point: everywhere companies are designing products designed to break or be replaced quickly to make more money. Since the items are cheap cost goes down and hey! turnover doubles too! Unfortunately consumers are falling for it big time. Up here in Canada snow shovels are a big one: They used to be solid steel and last for years! (rust a bit but who cares), now they are made of plastic and at -15deg or more they break easily. Some people go through half a dozen a year.
Basically people are fooled by looks, they like to be dazzled at purchase than amazed throughout years of use.

[PumpMag]

Buying A NEW Emag cheap is not very realistic. Buying a lightly Used
Emag is a more viable option at the price your seeking.

Think of an Emag as if it were a Porsche.......

A brand NEW Porsche is very expensive.
An older Porsche would cost less but still highly desirable, very collectible and if taken well care of will still fetch high prices even though they are old.

Emags are like Porsches........ FAST, Beautiful, and Expensive!

[turbo chicken]

First of all to stay on topic ... because the quality is the best and they probably are barely making money as it is with the current price!!!


and P.S.

I can take Classic valve built in 1994, put on a set of Emag lowers and shoot the 15 bps limit just like every other gun on the market.

Really ... I thought my only option was to get an retro/valve to go with lowers .... the pgp may not be going to plamers and the pump kit may just be put on hold ... and even the CF pneu frame.

and E-minimag ... that would be friggin awesome ... but would the lowers really just bolt up. I thought I would need a different rail.


.... ... scans the B/S/T's....

[Warwitch]

[QUOTE=nathanjones008]after all there is now better quality that agd.[QUOTE]




[QUOTE=nathanjones008]But i do not want to buy them becasue they are not as high as quality as agd.[QUOTE]


Are you listening to yourself??

[Lohman446]

I thought the classic got shootdown around 13BPS

[turbo chicken]

I thought the classic got shootdown around 13BPS

That's still plenty fast for me ... i'm not a hoser(and by that I mean paint slinger) by any means... but I think i could win MOTM witha e-minimag ...right after that the lowers would be sold to someone who would actually use them.

noone answered my question if they would fir the minimag body ... guess i got to use the search.

[Pneumagger]

I thought the classic got shootdown around 13BPS

it does. I tested your pneumag I built with a classic. You can easily outshoot the valve with the pneumatics.

There's quite a few modifications that can be done to give a few more BPS though as ~e pointed out.

[paint magnet]

I run a Pro-Line Auto Response frame on my gun with a classic valve and have no problems at around 12-13 bps and it seems like it could go faster if I could pull it faster. If you were having problems with shootdown, increasing the input pressure would probably fix it.

You can put a Classic valve on an Emag and it will work fine (assuming you swap out the on/off pins), you just won't get the reactive trigger like the RT.

[craltal]

Smart parts had nothing to do with it really, they did get the ball rolling for agd discontinuing their products, but any company is free to make an electronic marker (as far as I know this is the final result of the law suits).

I beg to differ. By "getting the ball rolling" ie, threatening to sue anybody who infringed on their patent, SP help many companies to decide that the hassle of a lawsuit wasn't worth their limited resources. AGD and AKA opted to stop making their respective guns due to this.

Oh, anyone can make an electronic gun as long as they pay royalties to use the patented technology

[craltal]

Smart parts had nothing to do with it really, they did get the ball rolling for agd discontinuing their products, but any company is free to make an electronic marker (as far as I know this is the final result of the law suits).

I beg to differ. By "getting the ball rolling" ie, threatening to sue anybody who infringed on their patent, SP help many companies to decide that the hassle of a lawsuit wasn't worth their limited resources. AGD and AKA opted to stop making their respective guns due to this.

Oh, anyone can make an electronic gun as long as they pay royalties to use the patented technology

[Lenny]

what did smartparts do?

They own the idea of an electro operated gun. Stolen from PneuVentures.

They also own the idea of a paintball gun. This just kinda effects everyone.

And the number of porting holes on a barrel cannot be greater than or equal to the area of the OD at the end of the barrel. Thus the end of BOA.

They're just all around douche bags.
Smart Parts is like the Wal-Mart of the paintball world. Cheap, decent, and evil.

wait a minute how is the regulator nut sealed? loc tite right? (i used loc tite) oh crapizzle! i screwed up.

You are stupid, aren't you? I pray you didn't use the red stuff. Did you?

The mag is a classic design, made so it doesn't have to be re-made from year to year. Other companies keep shaving inches and metal off their guns; AGD has had one of the most compact designs since 1991. Other companies added regs, AGD guns had them to begin with.
Other companies make their guns faster while AGD guns were capable of 16+ cps in an era where other guns couldn't do half of that. A select few other companies have taken this approach, like Palmer's with their Typhoons or CCI with the Phantom. Some guns just don't need to be changed.

Part of the reason AGD guns haven't changed all that much is because Tom intended them to be backwards compatible so that users could keep their gun and upgrade it rather than shelling out for the latest design just to replace it with each new year (i.e. DM3, 4, 5, 6, 7...). The AutoMag was designed with the user in mind, moreso than making money. How effective is this? I can take Classic valve built in 1994, put on a set of Emag lowers and shoot the 15 bps limit just like every other gun on the market. Hell, Smart Parts claims to have invented electronics, but do you think a Shoebox Shocker can do 15 bps? Can I put a bolt from a 98 STO in a modern Black Magic? Can I clean an Angel with a hose, leave it aired up for 3 months, and still expect it to work?

It all depends on what you want out of your gun. Some have to have a featherweight gun-of-the minute. Some like to know they've invested in quality--because quality always shoots straight.

QFT!!!

[Lohman446]

They own the idea of an electro operated gun. Stolen from PneuVentures.

So, when you go to the store and leave with something you stole it? They did purchase PneuVentures and the intellectual property (IE PATENT) they owned. Now granted, they did some fancy stepping with that patent... but