Predicament..Kinda.

[CKY_Alliance]

Ye, I feel no responsibility for anything wrong with the shocker, other then the upper board..which i have already taken care of.

It's the DM4 that I will pay labor for since he had to get the eyes changed, which he was not charged for the eyes themselves. So if he charged him any labor to put the eyes in then i will pay that,but not any labor for tuning and lubing etc. Makes me wonder because i know full well that the eyes worked the day before it was shipped..anyway.

[surfbum]

you are not responsible for the $70 bill

you told him what was wrong with the shocker, he agreed to the condition, you bought him the replacement part, if he chooses to get ripped off and send it to a tech to install it, that is his choice

[WenULiVeUdiE]

If he is a SmartParts Tech, why is he paying someone else to install a board and new eyes?

He is clearly avoiding the truth. If you informed him of the problems, then you should not pay anything. The only thing I could possibly see you pay for is new eyes, which will be no more than $15.

[Tao]

You shouldn't pay the bill. You are acting as an AGENT for your friend. This can have varying degrees of power, but basically you were given power to enter your friend (not YOU)into a sales contract for a specific gun on his behalf. Now if you told the buyer you were acting on behalf of another person you are fine. If you didn't mention anything and he thought he was entering into a contract with you, there may be an issue. This of course is a purely LEGAL view of the situation. You only become liable for something if you breached your authority as an agrent.

As for the bill your friend may be liable if there was a misrepresentation in the contract (misrepresentation is commited even if you said something you thought to be true...fraud is missrepresentation AND knowing that it is not true). It would depend on the wording of the contract.

ok Morally should YOU pay the bill? I would say no. You were trying to help out a firend why should you be punished for it. I would keep mediating between your friend and the buyer to try and solve the porblem though.

Basically either way you slice it, it is between your friend and the buyer, with your only concern being your ebay reputation.

Ok so i traded a couple guns last week and they guy got them yesterday, anyway..both parties recieved their rightfull belongings..now one of the guns i traded was a shocker. I knew that it needed a new upper board and he was informed of that as well..so i paid for the board as part of the trade and he was fine with the fact that it was broke,seeing that he is getting the part to fix it.

ok now neither of the guns are mine..they are a teamates that is not to computer savvy so I conduct his trades for him.

The Dm4 i traded along with the shocker, i had worked on many times and day before we shipped it was shooting so good well he got it and supposedly the eyes weren't working, well he got that fixed for free and already sold it to a friend. Now the shocker, the only thing i have done with the shocker is glanced at the noid to see what piece was missing off the board, My teamate was told by the guy he bought the gun from that the only thing needed to fix it was the upper board..so we both accepted that and were going to fix it for a back up,but then traded it.

Now then the other party in the trade now has a $70 bill due to his guntech..which to plug in a frigin board and change a set of eyes is a bit riddiculous..i could do both in 15 minutes or less..anyway he says the noid screws dont fit and he had to buy new ones..anyway..

So he calls me tonight and tells me the situation..I told him i will have to talk to the owner of the guns to see what we can work out.. now i don't want to stick the guy with a bill,but i honsetly didn't know that any of the above would occur, other then the need for a upper board, so do you AO think i should pay the bill? I mean i will atleast compensate him somewhat,but im not too sure about paying the whole thing seeing that i told him what was wrong with the gun to my knowledge..the things he later found are on him.


Some things seem a little off..i trust the guy but, right after he told me he was a smartparts tech he asked me if the shocker had vision..when i shipped the gun the grip frame was not attached and you could clearly see the ribbon for the eye protruding from the body...i would think a SP "tech" would know what it was for.

Also..the $70 bill thus far..like i said above..is it just me or is that riddiculous? Just to change some eyes and hook up the noid board which both consist of taking a few screws out and pluging some wires in....


In Brief:

Who should pay the bill for the tech?

[CKY_Alliance]

I AM NOT PERSONALLY PAYING ANYTHING, I AM MEDIATING PAYMENT BETWEEN MY TEAMATE AND THE OTHER PARTY...


Anyway so after installing the upper board..they discovered that the whole solenoid is fried..ok the guy i bought this shocker from told me that it was only the upper board, so to my knowledge that is all i knew was wrong with it. Now im being told the whole noid is fried and he is having to buy a new one..the shop is charging him 160 for it and they aren't charging him labor the noid is only 120 online..so seems to me his buddies are tacking on a little extra and not telling him..

anyway he wants me (my friend) to pay 100 of the 160...and he is going to ship me the upper board back (which i dont have a danm use for)...so now then...


should we pay for the solenoid? Probably will because we plan on collecting some money back for the shocker..because without a working noid its barley worth 100 dollars for a body and stock board (in my opinion)...ahhh i officially quit trading guns for anyone,but myself.

[jenarelJAM]

Where'd you buy the board? and can it be returned? if it came in sealed packaging and cannot be returned because it's opened, I believe that's on him, since he was the one who opened it.

I think as long as you told him the gun wasn't working, you "thought" the problem was the board, and he accepted it, you should be fine. Unfortunately, he probably feels like he got a bad deal, and will probably not fell "good" about the transaction unless you buy him a new marker, which you have no obligation to do. When buying a broken marker, you have to know there is an element of risk. If you can't fix it, or it proves really hard to, you're going to lose money. If it turns out to be an easy fix that the seller just didn't want to deal with, you're going to get a good marker for cheap. He took a risk, it didn't work out for him. I'm sorry it's biting you in the butt.

Also, it sounds really shady to me. He's a sp tech, but can't fix it himself, takes it to a "friend" who magically charges $70, which he passes(or tries to) on to you. If he were doing this himself, he wouldn't let his friend charge $160 for a new solenoid either. This sounds like a really bad story. I'm sorry man.

[punkncat]

I say shame on you for not checking into everything that could be wrong with it....

Seriously, when you buy a used marker that is in unknown, not working condition, you generally get all the problems that come along with it. "as is".

Tough call

[WenULiVeUdiE]

Quite honestly, if you find that you do not want to deal with this issue anymore, then you have a few options. The first of which is just walking away. Tell the guy if he wants any compensation, then he must deal with your friend directly. However, this may lead to the buyer decieving your friend into sending him money that he does not deserve. Another option is to just say "Hey, I told you it was broken." and just walk away. If you are willing to risk the bad feedback, then you may want to persue this path. of course, this root is alittle more nefarious than others, but it is an option.

Or just tell him that he is a qualified Smartparts Gun Tech and should fix it himself with his own replacement parts that he can buy from SmartParts. Then send him the message where he stated he was a qualified Gun Tech. Catch him in a lie he may be less inclined to try and fool you once more with fake numbers.

[CKY_Alliance]

Quite honestly, if you find that you do not want to deal with this issue anymore, then you have a few options. The first of which is just walking away. Tell the guy if he wants any compensation, then he must deal with your friend directly. However, this may lead to the buyer decieving your friend into sending him money that he does not deserve. Another option is to just say "Hey, I told you it was broken." and just walk away. If you are willing to risk the bad feedback, then you may want to persue this path. of course, this root is alittle more nefarious than others, but it is an option.

Or just tell him that he is a qualified Smartparts Gun Tech and should fix it himself with his own replacement parts that he can buy from SmartParts. Then send him the message where he stated he was a qualified Gun Tech. Catch him in a lie he may be less inclined to try and fool you once more with fake numbers.

Supposed to fax me a receipt we will see..maybe i should go have the quest tech'd and send him a bill as well...

I'm not worried about the feedback it won't be on me, i am not going to just screw the guy over liek that though, but i will not allow myself or my friend to be screwed over in the process.

Only problem with sending him a message quoting that he is a gun tech..is most of our dealing except for the intitial agreement and exchange of information and confirmation numbers has been by way of phone...

Not sure what to do..guy seems like a pretty stand up guy, but then again you never know..

Tempted to discretley find out his techs number and calling to see how much he would charge me to do what he has done so far...anyway we will see.

[master_alexander]

i havent read the whole thread... but i have 3 cents less than a nickle.

whenever i get something, or trade something, something happens. idk why. just does. part of life.

think of it like this. if you buy a used car and then you drive it away, get it home, its in the garage for a week, you drive it out one day and the battery dies.

your rresponsibility.

so in this case, it isint your problem.

[FinchMan]

It seems shady. He claimed to be a tech but pays someone else to fix his guns. Your friend definitely shouldn't be stuck with the repair bill (labor) if he is too busy to tech his own guns. Tough call on the fried solenoid, but it doesn't seem quite legit.