Opinions

[SR_matt]

yes but the amount SP had control of that pattent did not legaly allow them to sue any one.

-matt

[Lohman446]

yes but the amount SP had control of that pattent did not legaly allow them to sue any one.

-matt

What? Based on why? SP owned the intellectual property and had full ownership rights to protect and profit from it. The way people spell it out as they think it happened a two year old could have defeated SP in court. Hmm, yet somehow only WDP has even come close, and only that was joint ownership of the patent, not harming SPs ownership of it.

[SR_matt]

the paten was claimed by 2 parties that orignaly were in the same company, PVI, both of the parties had a valid claim on it thus a 50/50 ownership. sp claimed 100% ownership (which you need, as far as i understand it, to sue based on having a paten). the othert party that still had the paten was part of WDP, the only way the suits could have gone down correctly is if both parties tried to sue based on the paten.

if you noticed the lawsuits were reversed becasue SP did not have the full paten, infact they only had half of it.

either way the paten was to broad, patening of an "electronic paintball marker" is like trying to paten a "gas powered engine", there are so many types of fuels and engines its not legit.

-matt

[SCpoloRicker]

[Lohman446]

the paten was claimed by 2 parties that orignaly were in the same company, PVI, both of the parties had a valid claim on it thus a 50/50 ownership. sp claimed 100% ownership (which you need, as far as i understand it, to sue based on having a paten). the othert party that still had the paten was part of WDP, the only way the suits could have gone down correctly is if both parties tried to sue based on the paten.

if you noticed the lawsuits were reversed becasue SP did not have the full paten, infact they only had half of it.

either way the paten was to broad, patening of an "electronic paintball marker" is like trying to paten a "gas powered engine", there are so many types of fuels and engines its not legit.

-matt

What lawsuit was reversed? A court ordered WDP and SP had joint ownership of the patent because of the two parties involved in PVI. In any case it gave WDP standing, not AKA. It was AKAs infringement of a patent that caused them problems, its not SPs or WDPs fault it happened. PS, I see joint agreements now involving WDP and SP, care to test that patent again?

[Triangle]

Sup Godwin?

[SR_matt]

What lawsuit was reversed? A court ordered WDP and SP had joint ownership of the patent because of the two parties involved in PVI. In any case it gave WDP standing, not AKA. It was AKAs infringement of a patent that caused them problems, its not SPs or WDPs fault it happened. PS, I see joint agreements now involving WDP and SP, care to test that patent again?

IIRC dye counter-sued, or sued after the fact SP becasue the some of the designs were already patened and that led to (IIRC) many of the suits SP brought to be thrown out.

i remember hearing something very close to if not exactly that in the last 6 months
-matt

[Lohman446]

IIRC dye counter-sued, or sued after the fact SP becasue the some of the designs were already patened and that led to (IIRC) many of the suits SP brought to be thrown out.

i remember hearing something very close to if not exactly that in the last 6 months
-matt

And Dye, WDP, SP reached an agreement. Hey, if the patents not valid, why is AKA not building new markers? SPs fault that they lost a lot of their brain trust? Sorry, AKA and AGDs problems, were there well before SP came into the picture, its just a convenient scapegoat for the fanboys.

[Lenny]

i havent shot a ion. but i have seen other people shoot them. every noob on the feild has one. they are ok guns. lets all remember that when we buy one we give smarts parts power. i dont want to look 3 years down the road and see only smart part guns on the field. i love variety. it makes it boring world if every one shot smart parts. their business practices are walmart like. they basicly put AkA out of bussiness, they are screwing up AGD and many others in the paintball industry. i am not telling anyone how to spend their money. remember the way we give smarts parts power is our money. i amlost bought a ion a few months ago, but when i found out how they do theri business , i made a decision do not give them my money. i support any other company other than smart parts, their are many other companies out thier that are better than smart parts. they may be a bit more expensive but i think its worth it. :)

You forgot one.

BOA. They killed BOA, too.

[cyrus-the-virus]

Me? I personally love the ion. I may not share the same love the the parent company but this is about the gun not the company right?

You can build (from scratch(with all after market parts)) and ion for about the same price as a shocker, maybe a bit more if you buy an expenxive trigger frame. and it will be comparable to all high end's today.

The stock ion is ok, not the best, but ok. It deffinetly beats a tippmann though. If you take care of your gun it will take care of you. Around here we can only use CO2 with HPA as a rarity. all the ions around here have been working flawlessly without any major problems.

not a very well thought out or typed post but w/e I don't have tiem for that :P

Just for the record I do NOT own an ion, I own a E-mag and soon a pump mag

And Dye, WDP, SP reached an agreement. Hey, if the patents not valid, why is AKA not building new markers? SPs fault that they lost a lot of their brain trust? Sorry, AKA and AGDs problems, were there well before SP came into the picture, its just a convenient scapegoat for the fanboys.

Really, what proof do you have of this again? AKA was doing quite well until SP, so was AGD.