Is your GUN SAFE

[sixtoes1313]

The way i personally play my marker is not considered safe to your guys standards. If im just coming back for a 5 minute break ill turn off my loader. and put a barrel sock on. If i ever use my angel ill turn the grip off. But none of my current mech guns came with a safety. So i really dont plan on ever putting one in. I'm just careful. I walk in the safe area with my barrel pointed toward the ground and then at my table i sit the gun on it with barrel pointing somthing solid. Thats pretty much what everyone at our feild does. I dont really think balls could go through a barrel condom unless its really worn which i make sure mine is not. Barrel plugs i dont trust and squeegees in the barrel especilly. Noone does that here anymore though. You asked me for my own experience and i gave it to you. IMO my gun is safe and i dont plan on changing anything unless it becomes mandatory. Ive never seen an incident yet where someone shot through a barrel condom and hit someone else.

[KerryWeeks]

Paint Ball Gun Safety

<< OLD Guy here... so heres the 1st and biggest Rule I see for making markers Safe Keep your Fingers off the Trigger... Unless you have a Mech Malfunction its hard to get a gun to go off with no finger on the trigger. The rest of the safetys you have mentioned ( Barrel condom, unload the hopper,E guns off, safety on) they all come after you make sure you keep finger off trigger.
Beemer you posted a pict with some folk if you look close most of them have fingers on the triggers even if theres a barrel bag on thats not really safe. Just my 2 cents worth

[White_Noise]

my gun is safe when i dont have my finger on the trigger.

take a hunter/firearm safety course. treat every gun as if its loaded. (only possible exception is if you know absolutely it wont fire, IE: its missing an obvious and integral part, or has a lock/cable through the breech. ) you also learn not to trust any form of safety as its just a mechanical device, and mechanical devices fail.

that being said, right now i mainly shoot electro and just turn it off as i come off the field and put a barrel condom on, not much else you can do. i dont like turning on/off my asa because i tend to forget to turn it on at the start of the game. when i used to use mech/ when i take them out from time to time, i removed the safeties from all of them except my sydarm. i had problems with safeties accidently going on during games so i removed the problem. for mech i just put the barrel condom on and dont touch the trigger.

ive never had a marker that would fire accidently, when i adjust settings/ trigger i make sure that accidental fire wont happen, which makes them safer to begin with.

to really be safe, YOU need to be safe, not the marker. having a safe marker helps, but when it comes down to it , the responsiblity and safety comes from the operator.

/endrant

[calebh]

one of these days im gonna take an old beat up barrel condom and see how many shots it takes to break one or otherwise make it unsafe...

[Beemer]

No Balls = Safe
No Propellant(Air, CO2) = Safe
No Ability to Fire the Marker(Safety Mechanism to keep the marker from firing) = Safe

Thats how I do it to.

[Beemer]

my standards of safe are pretty slack actually, but I've yet to shoot through a barrel sock (thanks rogue) so I dont see anyone being hurt in the near future. Heck, I'd venture to say a barrel sock could take a lot of abuse and years before being considered unsafe

Thats what they thought. This gun had a bag on it.

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=159758&page=1&pp=40

[Beemer]

Ive never seen an incident yet where someone shot through a barrel condom and hit someone else.

Doesnt mean it hasnt, dont or wont happen.

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=159758&page=1&pp=40

[RRfireblade]

Every marker is different , every situation is different.

Generally , a marker is safe if configured in a manner that it could not be fired.

Same it true should said marker be dropped.

A barrel bagged marker is not 'safe'. I've seen bags/condoms shot thru and or shot off , many times. Removing the barrel is also not an acceptable safety measure either as many marker can still fire upwards of 100fps without one.

No air source is no guarantee as many markers will fire 1-3 shots after the tank is removed.

Loader off , well that's a no brainer since a certain amount of paint will still fall from any 'off' loader. Not to mention what maybe already in the breach.

IMO , like any other hazardous device , NO marker should EVER be truly considered safe until it has been thoroughly checked by the handler to BE safe and then said marker should still be considered UNSAFE by everyone else.

[Beemer]

Every marker is different , every situation is different.

Generally , a marker is safe if configured in a manner that it could not be fired.

Same it true should said marker be dropped.

A barrel bagged marker is not 'safe'. I've seen bags/condoms shot thru and or shot off , many times. Removing the barrel is also not an acceptable safety measure either as many marker can still fire upwards of 100fps without one.
No air source is no guarantee as many markers will fire 1-3 shots after the tank is removed.

Loader off , well that's a no brainer since a certain amount of paint will still fall from any 'off' loader. Not to mention what maybe already in the breach.

IMO , like any other hazardous device , NO marker should EVER be truly considered safe until it has been thoroughly checked by the handler to BE safe and then said marker should still be considered UNSAFE by everyone else.

Good post Well done. Of course I knew you would get it. Now how do we get everybody else to get it?

[RRfireblade]

Good post Well done. Of course I knew you would get it. Now how do we get everybody else to get it?

I'm not sure we can when the major contributing sponsors and promoters of the sport consider a piece a fabric and a rubber band more than good enough. You commonly see people walking around dry firing markers at most events , especially at vendor tents and think nothing of it. Paintball is to desperate to gain popularity to piss someone off.

Unfortunately , since there are so many different marker designs out there there is never going to be a way to make them all 'obviously' safe. Some kind of industry standard , easily recognizable barrel blocking device might be the only answer but still with the risk of it properly installed.

In the firearms world if we can't visibly show the action to be open and mechanically held there ( Zip tie for instance) you can't walk around with it unless it's in a case. Even that's not ideal but regardless , would likely not fly with the average paintballer.

It's a dangerous sport played prodominately by children. How do you fix that.

[Beemer]

I'm not sure we can when the major contributing sponsors and promoters of the sport consider a piece a fabric and a rubber band more than good enough. You commonly see people walking around dry firing markers at most events , especially at vendor tents and think nothing of it. Paintball is to desperate to gain popularity to piss someone off.


In the firearms world if we can't visibly show the action to be open and mechanically held there ( Zip tie for instance) you can't walk around with it unless it's in a case. Even that's not ideal but regardless , would likely not fly with the average paintballer.

It's a dangerous sport played prodominately by children. How do you fix that.

Hmmm I dont care who I piss off. "How do you fix that" Thats seems to be the 6.6 million dollar question.

[robnix]

Is it Really? Are you sure?

There are only two places you can fire. The Field or the Range. No where else. Period. How is your gun safe any place else?

Lets call it Hot and Cold. Field and Range is hot. Cocked, Locked and ready to Ramp. All systems go and BALLS will fire if you pull, touch OR BUMP the Trig. Cold is evey place else. The gun IS SAFE.

What does that mean SAFE? You put on the safety IF it has one? Slip on a bag and call it SAFE. The bag is a BAD bandaid to say your GUN is SAFE.

Whats the first thing you check to determine Safe?

How is your GUN SAFE in a GOGS OFF cold zone? Just because the safety and a bag is on doesnt mean it is SAFE. Or does it today?

Before I leave the field, I turn off my ASA, shoot out the remaining air, barrel bag it, put in the battery pin. There's no safety on my emag though.

My pump marker I toss the 12 gram, bag it, and flip the safety on.

[Beemer]

Before I leave the field, I turn off my ASA, shoot out the remaining air, barrel bag it, put in the battery pin. There's no safety on my emag though.

My pump marker I toss the 12 gram, bag it, and flip the safety on.

Well done. Aint to hard now is it.

[robnix]

Well done. Aint to hard now is it.

Nope, the problem that I see is that fields only talk about barrel bag and goggle rules, I never see them talk about the other things you can do.

[CKY_Alliance]

Ok its in my hands and I dont know. Tell me how to make it SAFE.

use your BBD

if electronic turn the gun off as you leave the netted areas

If mech then make sure the safety is on before you exit the field or chrono range

if you have a On/off..turn the air off and bleed it


take the barrel off



I think rogue about covered it.