I would like to see....

[don miguel]

just get xmod. It ramps

yeah really. punkcat, are you serious? you know what xmod is right?

[grEnAlEins]

yeah really. punkcat, are you serious? you know what xmod is right?

Don, are you serious? He wants something backed by the factory, like something with a warranty. X-mod, despite being great, does not have this feature.

[Beemer]

Is that some BS that whiney people came up with?

I was gonna add but then realized it would just sound like whiney bs.

[Beemer]

i do think that is kind of odd seeing as there is the RT trigger which when setup right can runaway / increase your fire rate and a long time ago there was a grip frame that shot both on the pull and release of the trigger for the mag

besides almost every rec ball fuild i go to doesn't allow any modes other than true semi

No that would be set up WRONG. All my Mags are at OEM setup specs and I have NEVER had one run away and trying to sweet spot it is a waste of my time when I can just pull it and be more effective. All though not true semi I would argue the RT is still OSOP.

[Toll]

I'd like a AGD Sponsored EP frame, but I doubt it would happen ^.^

[zazzoo]

I'd Like to see a Polar Bear

[warbeak2099]

Is that some BS that whiney people came up with?

It was the debounces fault!. "Sorry Mr. Kid, that was BURST. It caused you injury becaue it was on BURST, not RAMPING mode. If that were ramping mode, all those extra balls wouldnt have hurt you. Thats why ramping is so great, after the first ball, the others dont hurt!"

The kid got hurt because he was shot with multiple successive shots. The exact same thing would have happened regardless of what you call it.



Bounce. Ramp. Full Auto. You can call it what you want. Its all againsnt ASTM standards, making it all the same in the eyes of safety and regulations.

One pull/release, one shot. Anything else{you want to call ramping} has caused injuries.

I meant it is easier to set a limit on and control ramping. With excessive bounce, it is harder to control what the gun is doing. But with adjustable ramping, you can control how fast it will shoot, at what speed it will ramp, etc. That is why tournaments allow it nowadays under close supervision. By the same right, I guess you could say semi is dangerous. Because there are many people out there who play that can shoot 15bps consistantly. And if they behave like Mr. Lasoya, they could seriously injure someone.

The fact is, you blame it on the equipment. That's a cop out. It's like parents who blame video games on their kids' psychological problems instead of asking themselves what kinds of mistakes they might have made as parents. Blame peoples' behavior on the results of their actions, not the gear they were using. I had a kid almost shoot my mask off with a mech Belsales Evolution cocker. Shall we denounce mech cockers cause they're dangerous? Please Rogue, tell me how your objections are any different from those of the old timers who spoke out against semis back when pumps were dissapearing from the tourny scene?

Ramping is not dangerous nor has it proven to be if the person using it is responsible, and it is regulated responsibly by the event staff. End of story.

[Beemer]

Because there are many people out there who play that can shoot 15bps consistantly.

I disagree. There are FEW who can.

tell me how your objections are any different from those of the old timers who spoke out against semis back when pumps were dissapearing from the tourny scene?

Hey Im an old timer and was all for semi, OSOP. I remember those who were against it. I understand there view better now then I did then. Heck lets play FA but not be stupid about it. We were slow and smart back then now its fast and stupid.

Ramping is not dangerous nor has it proven to be if the person using it is responsible, and it is regulated responsibly by the event staff. End of story.

Yes it is. So is pump so is semi so is FA. I would argue that responsibility is an issue. Uneducated doesnt have to mean stupid. Whos the teachers? The ones who set the standards? Know who they are?

To add.. going off topic start a new thread

[CKY_Alliance]

Which would make the player dangerous, not the semi.


I do. Simply because the equipment is doing the shooting in ramping. Not the player.




Anything other than one pull/release, one shot is dangerous. In accordance with the ASTM safety regulations as adopted by the paintball industry.

End of story.

Whats makes ramping dangerous? The fact that people have been injured by guns that were ramping?..well what about the injuries caused by guns in semi?...They both can be dangerous when placed in the hand of someone irresponsible...


Edit: ok i see your point : In accordance with the ASTM safety regulations as adopted by the paintball industry.

[bleachit]

i do think that is kind of odd seeing as there is the RT trigger which when setup right can runaway / increase your fire rate

I believe Tom Kaye has said at least once on here that the runaway effect in the RT valve was a "malfunction", and I believe that was addressed a bit in the design of the X-valve. It was reported a few times that the X-valve has less of the RT effect than the RT valve.

then again, Ive never owned/shot either an RT or Xvalve, its just info that was passed around here a long time ago, I could be mistaken.

[Caboose]

I've played mostly semi my entire life but have dabbled in PSP play. I must say, it is a thousand times more exciting and fun to watch/play than NPPL semi. However, mags are just NOT suited for PSP/Xball where you are playing more games in a faster sucession. In Xball, you're playing as many games as you can in 5/10/15 minutes. That means that you need a light and efficient marker over anything else. This is something that mags just aren't. Sure, they're more reliable than 90% of markers out there, but they get less shots per fill than a Matrix and are as heavy or heavier than even Vikings/Excals. Comparing my CnC Xmag and my DM6, the DM is much lighter and more efficient. Now, the mag was freaking bulletproof... but that holds little when you're on your 8th game in 15 minutes and you've already gone through 2 tanks and your arms are going to fall off.

Also, ramping is just as safe as semi when the users are coherant. I shoot faster in semi than in PSP/Xball formats. I can get into the low 20s (very skilled and practiced 3 finger walking) when all ramping/full auto leagues are capped at 15. Besides, nobody in their right mind would blow someone away in a bunkering situation to the back of their head... except Lasoya. Also, if someone is going to do that in PSP, they'd do the same in semi. Blame the person, not the ramping. The gun shot the paint, but the guy made it.

[paintball_fiend]

I'd like a AGD Sponsored EP frame, but I doubt it would happen ^.^

FTW
hopefully this thread gets back on track ....
does AGD look at this kind of thing when they consider new gun upgrades?

[paintball_fiend]

although i am starting to get interested in the invert mini because it seems to have all of the things i want bit since i only paid $350 for the emag i will keep it aswell

[punkncat]

I would love to see ASTM standards be re-introduced and enforced in play and to equipment. However, going to the CFOA and "whiney bs'ing" about it is not going to change the fact that I will be in Rome....

Besides, nobody in their right mind would blow someone away in a bunkering situation to the back of their head... except Lasoya

You haven't played with some of the players round here.....

There are quite a few good Xball and CFOA/PSP teams that play and practice in this area, including Animosity, Vision, Last Call, etc. Much of the practice that goes on is actually worse than an actual tourney/event. Its like punishment is the order of the day in many cases.

[REDRT]

I don't see anything wrong with ramping, but I do see a need to enforce rules regarding it. People simply need to exercise restraint. Since many either are incapable or otherwise disregard any common sense there needs to be clear and decisive rules alone with strict enforcement of rule regarding ramping. Locally you break the rules your going home. Players at the level of Chris Lasoya should be held accountable. I'm talking money out of their pocket and their sponsors pocket, along with community service, and suspensions up to and including a life time suspensions. That is what I'd like to see.