Thinking of buying a AutomagRT...

[Aqua_Life]

Hi guys,

I currently shoot a Model 98 Custom, and want desperately to upgrade to a more accurate, consistant, and reliable gun. One of the two I was thinking of buying was an Automag RT. The other is a Bob Long Intimidator.

I know many of you are die-hard AGD members/users, so I just wanted to know which you thought would be a better choice, and why.

There are two things I am specifically looking for in the gun:
Reliability
Accuracy

I don't know much about the RT (other than it shoots fast), and would desperately like to know more. This gun will be used for both ameture tourney play, although it's primary purpose will be for down-and-dirty recball (that's why it has to be durable). From your experience and knowledge, would you say this gun is better than the Intimidator (or whatever other competition it may have) with respect to accuracy and reliability?

Thank you very much for your time and help. They are both appreciated!

Best,
~AL

[SlipknotX556]

Id go wit RT... its so quiet and accurate

[Mossman]

RTs are not quiet at all (mine wasnt at least). and its not any more accurate than any other gun. There are a few things against the mag here. Personally, im not an electro fan though...and i loved my RT.

The RT is mechanical. You dont click a button...u pull a trigger. its tough to give u a good response when we dont know ur basic preference.

The intimidator has an ACE, and runs at very low pressure. It basically cant chop balls, and can be pretty efficient. The RT runs at high pressure, and when your RT gets mad at you cuz u farted the night before it can chop like a damn cuisinart the next day.

looks is a preference...but Timmies look sweet. Rts look badass too...but timmies are sweet.

Price is actually incredibly similar. Timmies are a great value. basically...i would bring it down to this. If u want a solid mechanical feel, get an RT or a nice cocker. If u want a mouse click detached feel, get a timmy, a cheap bushy or imp, or save up and get a used Emag for 700.....

[Aqua_Life]

Thanks for the info....

Thank you for the info Mossman. If what you say is true, and the AutomagRT is finicky on reliability, average on accuracy, but superb on rope-throwing (and as I said before, I don't particularly care about having a 26 bps rate of fire), then it is not for me.

Does anyone else have more to add? Any more critiques would be welcome!

[RT_Luver]

every gun wil have the same accuracy as he said earlier,if u put lets say a 12" tear drop barrel on both of them and and they will have the same accuracy.U said u dont really care bout the ROF but the bob long i'm not sure how fast it shoots but t can't out shoot the RT.I've seen them at my local field and i can tell ya that they are AWESOME looking.But if your looking for looks and stares from ppl who are't playing,get an RT PRO and warp feed and i wear ppl will be like jello-o in your hands.But the RT has a bad chopping problem,but only when i short stroke it.I dont know bout every one else.But since they come intelli's they have a very small trigger pull.this is just what i know and i know i would never give up my RT

[RSUAVE911]

I would definitely go with the intimidator, hands down. Ace, is great on the timmy. With an RT your going to be making paintball shakes, sorry for the corny joke. But the RT chops a lot, I know because I have owned one. The rt is very reliable but just chops sometimes. A warp feed would prolly solve this problems. But the timmy has everything, electric, fast, ACE, and for looks you either hate the timmy or love it.

[PowerFedMag]

RT

hey, I have an RT, and have shot other guns comparable to the TImmy. Pretty much, accuracy is the same for all these puppies, so dont worry about that.
Now reliabilty...RT hands down, the worst thing that can happen is a busted seal, or maybe an incredibly old spring breaks. On the issue of chopping...that is strictly a personal problem I say, because I have chopped maybe 3 times in the months of me using my RT, with a 12vlt revy...and yes I was shooting it fast.
Also, I'd like to point out that RT is much smaller than the Timmy ---a point I love, and that its got a SS body, so you're less likely to damage it by running into a tree or something, not to mention it won't look that bad if it's damaged because it'll be hard to notice, the TImmy is all tall and fancy.
Personal pref tho...I love my RT cuz its small, and unbreakable!!! I dont chop...well thats all, later man. I tried not to be biased, but that's how I really feel.

[Brain Donor]

I know very little about Intimidators, except the price is great, and from what I hear, they're very fast. Electro triggers are fun & easy ... etc .... :)


As for the RT's ... a bounce in the trigger is a bit wild :) They are also very fast, and the RT I had, if you didn't short-stroke it, very rarely chopped. And, in my opinion, 'Mags have one of the easiest cleanups known to paintball (except the E-Mag for hopefully obvious reasons):
Keep them pressurized, swish them in a bucket of water (also, without paint/hopper - another obvious reason) I just sprayed them off with a hose, keepijg the air on - where air is, water cannot go (in the valves, etc ... )

http://www.paintballravi.com/Articles/Intimidator/Intimidator.html

As for an RT review, AO is a good place.

[rpm07]

I bought a used RT and have about 12000 shots through it and have yet chopped a ball.

[FeelTheRT]

well there are certain advantages for both guns. If it's reliability your after, then the RT is defenetly the gun for you. If you want fancy ano and high firing speed, you should look into the Intimidator.

here, i made a little chart comparing the two:

-=RT=-
--Pros--
reliable
easy to take apart
no shootdowns
small

--Cons--
Chops/breaks paint
low resales price



-=Intimidator=-
--Pros--
cool looking ano
high ROF :)
Anit Chop Eye (Kiss chops bye bye)
accurate barrel
able to go LP

--Cons--
dosn't come with fore reg
big?
possibility electronics will go down but not likely at all

//Edited- BTW, if you really want a gun that is reliable and high ROF, look into Angels and Emags. You get what you pay for, they are very very reliable and the ROF is insane. Don't be afraid to buy a used one, Emags can be found around $700-800 and you can find Angel LEDs used for $450-600.

[50 cal]

I had a used RT, till I learned the trigger feel I chopped a few balls. After I got the feel for it, it was flawless. A few guys where I play hav ethe Intimidators, my RT would function a lot better than their Intimidators.

Sold the RT like a bonehead to get the Emag. love the Emag, but wished I would have kept the RT also.

[Aqua_Life]

Excellent responses...

Hey guys,

Thank you kindly for all the input and honesty. It's going to be a hard decision to make, no matter how I look at it. Both guns appear to be superb in design and functionality.

Personally, as I said before, I don't care about the ROF. I just don't play enough hard-core tourney paintball to need it. I'm sure the RT can out-shoot just about any gun out there (including the Timmy). Additonally, I don't really care about looks. They both are equally beautiful, in my opinion.

I have recieved several emails from people that say it chopps balls if it ever becomes unhappy. Bad times! But I do like its absolutely imfamishable durablity (the filling it with sand thing is most impressive).

Doh! It's going to take time to learn how to use either marker right. Thanks again for the info gentlemen. All of your help is most appreciated!

Best,
~AL

[rpm07]

As for the RT chopping balls I think that the RTs will the long power feed tube were the ones that did. Also if you do get a older RT call AGD because when i got mine used I did and they told me to send it in because they wanted to replace the rail because they made a differnt design that was better and when they had it they put a new bolt rail and the new power feed plug all for free now thats a company that stands behind their guns. So just check that out. Hope this helps

[Che guevara]

On the RT, you will be able to fix anything that goes wrong with spare parts. You don't have to send it in to AGD and wait for it to come back (although with AGD it will be a fast return). If something goes wrong with the electronics on the Timmy, you have to send it into the company and wait for it to get fixed. Since your main deal is reliability, I would definitely choose the RT.

[cphilip]

I just got one of the new RT Pro's and I can tell you I tried hard to chop it. Nada. Very very sweet marker and so complete out to the box. My Freinds, this chop rep is undeserved and I cannot duplicate it. Sorry but I gotta call BS on that. The reactive trigger makes this thing almost impossible for you to short stroke the thing. I tried to and could not do it. Hands down the new RT Pro with the intelliframe is a sweet marker. I'd buy one any day. And so would the four or five people who shot mine this weekend. I think I sold them all on one without saying a word. Loaded it and let em have at it. The truth is in the trying of it. :)