Is this crazy?

[Chronobreak]

tech chan, i drew up a desighn for that a while back with the valve system mounted in the foregrip and the gun was feed from the top or in the back where the valve was previously mounted. I doubt there is any interest.

I wanna see it, ive been working on one too.[/QUOTE]

il pm you a stripped down version il do up real quick, the actual version is in a notebook and a i dotn have a scanner.

[mag_lover05]

id buy a ULE rt pro over a mini or rail any day... just cuz all i play is recball, the mech mag is amazing.

[robnix]

The quality thing gets a bit old.

No it doesn't. Ever.

[maglover728]

OMFG This again!
Listen, if AGD wanted to, they could pull their heads out of the sand and expand their customer base a bit instead of relaying on all of us. Gee, lets think, the valve is great, the LVLX stopped the chop, and all is well right...

...NOT!

Everyone keeps Saying "look at the Ion." well if AGD would do that then maybe they would be selling a few cool bodies as upgrades. OMFG give the AGGies what they want? Hand them a pretty mag? Spread the mag goodness just a bit further? They can't do that!

How long have adjustable feed necks been around? Could this feature be added to the mag? NO! that would make an already simple marker easier to set up. We can't have that I guess or it would already have been done at the factory.

Why do Spyder and Tippmann make Egrips for their markers yet AGD lets Center flag and Maco (SP?) do it for them. Could they not increase their profit margin by selling a quality electronic frame them selfs? It works, ask PMI (Piranha), Spyder, Tippmann, etc.

Maybe they should look at what the ingenious members of AO are doing and incorporate a few of our ideas into their product line. ULE the crap out of a few stock rails, and sell them with the ANNO re done, Hell while they are at it, maybe some decorate milling on the outside.

The possibilities abound, but they will not be taken advantage of. Oh-well.

[RogueFactor]

The quality thing gets a bit old.

So does the "not anything new" thing.

As for new products? When was the last time AGD came out with anything NEW, which was not a modification of something already existing?

A LONG Time.

Almost everything(I say almost just in case there is 1) theyve come out with isnt a modification of the previous version.

Name me a few of the old AGD products that I can modify in the machine shop to make it into their new items.

[Shane-O-Mac]

The quality thing gets a bit old.

As for new products? When was the last time AGD came out with anything NEW, which was not a modification of something already existing?

A LONG Time.

What, do you want an inferior AGD product?

And please tell us what AGD should come out with? The gun design is near perfect, and if something "New" came out it would cost much more than the current product which many people think is already to highly priced. Lets be realistic here, How many NEW mags do you think AGD makes and sells a month? New products take R&D, which isnt cheap whatsoever. AGD is content doing what they are doing, and AGD doing this makes room for aftermarket parts made by other people, helping create a better market for AGD. If you look around there are more upgrades for Mags now then there has been in a long tome, maybe even ever. Things to think about are, how many "New" products would actually sell enough, to justify the intial cost layout?
And would people pay for a Quality product instead of a cheaper made in China/Taiwan/Korea part? The market just isnt there for for new AGD products.

So again, REALISTICLY, what do you think AGD should come out with?

[Arstron]

umm somone correct me if im wrong, but looking at the webpage the new rt's come with intelliframes. At the cheaper price the RT came with the single trigger didnt it? Maybe I am thinking wrong, but I am pretty sure that is the case and would be a good reason for the price jump.

[RogueFactor]

umm somone correct me if im wrong, but looking at the webpage the new rt's come with intelliframes. At the cheaper price the RT came with the single trigger didnt it? Maybe I am thinking wrong, but I am pretty sure that is the case and would be a good reason for the price jump.

Yes.

[RogueFactor]

So again, REALISTICLY, what do you think AGD should come out with?

They want AGD to do what everyone else is doing...re-packaging last years stuff and calling it new.

There is very little that is truly new in the industry as a whole. Which is why sales are slowing, there isnt anything more to hype.

[rkjunior303]

Mags are notorious for being inefficient... How about working on that?

[Shane-O-Mac]

They want AGD to do what everyone else is doing...re-packaging last years stuff and calling it new.

There is very little that is truly new in the industry as a whole. Which is why sales are slowing, there isnt anything more to hype.

You and I know that, but others just dont realize how much money and time it takes to make a "New" product, and how many you have to sell to break even.......................

I just wanted to see what Rk thinks..........................

[Shane-O-Mac]

Mags are notorious for being inefficient... How about working on that?

Well my Mag is more efficent than the Ion and PM5 I had, and there really isnt much they can do about that, or they would have already.

[RogueFactor]

Everyone keeps Saying "look at the Ion." well if AGD would do that then maybe they would be selling a few cool bodies as upgrades.

Karta, Dallara, Exile, Pariah....done. K, next...

How long have adjustable feed necks been around? Could this feature be added to the mag? NO! that would make an already simple marker easier to set up. We can't have that I guess or it would already have been done at the factory.

RPG Exile and Pariah come with clamping feednecks. Both are cut from AGD bodies....done. K, next....

Why do Spyder and Tippmann make Egrips for their markers yet AGD lets Center flag and Maco (SP?) do it for them. Could they not increase their profit margin by selling a quality electronic frame them selfs? It works, ask PMI (Piranha), Spyder, Tippmann, etc.

Cuz AGD isnt going to pay SP. Tom made that clear.....done. K, next...

Maybe they should look at what the ingenious members of AO are doing and incorporate a few of our ideas into their product line. ULE the crap out of a few stock rails, and sell them with the ANNO re done, Hell while they are at it, maybe some decorate milling on the outside.

AGD's been there, done that. It was called the ULE E-mag rail. Then there was the AGD ULE tac-rail.

Oh, dont forget the ULE rails that are cut were cut from AGD slugs called the RPG Splinter, Sleeper, Shadow, Thrasher, and Recon rails. And the TunaRail. Moreso, these rails were cheaper ANNODIZED than AGD sold their rails for UNANNODIZED.

....done. K, next....

The possibilities abound, but they will not be taken advantage of. Oh-well.

Im waiting for the possibilities that you may suggest that either 1) AGD has stated they wont ever do(sign with SP) 2) Have been done, 3) Are currently being done with AGD product

Let me know.

[zaqwert6]

umm somone correct me if im wrong, but looking at the webpage the new rt's come with intelliframes. At the cheaper price the RT came with the single trigger didnt it? Maybe I am thinking wrong, but I am pretty sure that is the case and would be a good reason for the price jump.

The base $355 IIRC , was a stripped down base single trigger RT. The current price reflects some of the optional upgrades the added to the old price , now no longer an option but standard.

[Lohman446]

They want AGD to do what everyone else is doing...re-packaging last years stuff and calling it new.

There is very little that is truly new in the industry as a whole. Which is why sales are slowing, there isnt anything more to hype.

How about a proactive anti-chop system, programmable trigger, ability to fire in current league modes, a stock adjustable feed neck, an internal air line system to start with.

Just repacking of what has been around for years...

Oh... wait, not in a mag.