Is this crazy?

[nathanjones008]

[I am not going to even pretend to tell AGD what to do. TK is a pretty smart guy, and its his company that he has made successful for a long time.

However, to state, as some have seemed to, that AGD is moving forward at this point in design, that there are "no" new ideas that could be incorporated, is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]

thank you! There is always room for growth

p.s. to make i agree with you all that making a new gun or an upgrade is expensive. But There is always a risk a company must take to make profit. I feel that if airgun comes out with a new gun or a great upgrade ie. a eletrionic trigger frame for speedball people will buy it! There is thousands of remembers on this forum and others who will support and buy. But it is only speclation on my part. But imagine the benefits that they could reap. :)

[CaptainNeeda]

Well, if AGD came out with a factory pneu mag, I would dig into my wallet. And yes, I do know that the market for something like that might not be there, my comment is more just wishful thinking. Besides, now is a time when most of the paintball industry (rapid generalization) seems to be looking for whats 'next'. Now might not be the best time for AGD to attempt a phoenix like come back.

[Ninjeff]

Would anyone buy a completely new AGD designed gun?


Why, hell yes I would. If its AGD i trust it.

[reflective]

I don't get why people don't understand that AGD doesn't need to do anything "new". AGD is like the 1911, they got it right the first time. And just as the 1911, their mainstream appeal may have waned a bit........ But in the end, the plastic pistol fad will end, and 1911/agd will still be there (where they have been all along).
Quality never gets old!

[Lohman446]

I don't get why people don't understand that AGD doesn't need to do anything "new". AGD is like the 1911, they got it right the first time. And just as the 1911, their mainstream appeal may have waned a bit........ But in the end, the plastic pistol fad will end, and 1911/agd will still be there (where they have been all along).
Quality never gets old!

Funny, I own a 1911, I kept mags for a long time. I love my 1911, but I don't doubt its a niche market today. There is not going to be some great 1911 comeback where it overtakes the new "plastic pistols". They are simply different, and to many people those "plastic pistols" offer some things the 1911 does not. Even with LDA offerings from Para and the like, they are just not going to overcome the simplicity of the point and shoot weapons of today. That, and companies such as Sig-Sauer and H+K, crowd the 1911 market with non-plastic guns that seem to mix many of the best of both worlds.

Mags are much the same. The Ion may not be here in ten years, we assume AGD will (with Rogue telling us that the rail incorporated to the bottom of the intelliframe is new). The problem is, something will replace the Ion, and it (or they) will take its market share. It is not simply going to fall back to AGD, or the 1911.

[Russ]

Funny, I own a 1911, I kept mags for a long time. I love my 1911, but I don't doubt its a niche market today. There is not going to be some great 1911 comeback where it overtakes the new "plastic pistols". They are simply different, and to many people those "plastic pistols" offer some things the 1911 does not. Even with LDA offerings from Para and the like, they are just not going to overcome the simplicity of the point and shoot weapons of today. That, and companies such as Sig-Sauer and H+K, crowd the 1911 market with non-plastic guns that seem to mix many of the best of both worlds.

Mags are much the same. The Ion may not be here in ten years, we assume AGD will (with Rogue telling us that the rail incorporated to the bottom of the intelliframe is new). The problem is, something will replace the Ion, and it (or they) will take its market share. It is not simply going to fall back to AGD, or the 1911.

You need to seriously reconsider your views of the 1911.

Count the companies that now manufacture them (Sig included)...and customize them. Look at all the accessories available.

Go to any centerfire pistol competition. No matter what the discipline, you will see 1911's in quantity. The 1911's popularity is a great as ever. Sorry, but trying to use 1911's as an example was a bad choice

[RogueFactor]

They are all new Rogue.

They arent new. Theyd only be new to mags. Hardly new at all. And frankly, these things arent whats keeping mags from 'going big'. If they changed the body, valve, on/off, bolt, frame, and rails....and that didnt work.....certainly the things you suggest arent going to either.

Ive said it before, but will say it again here....I was in a shop not but 4 months ago that had BRAND NEW DM4's, DM5's, PM5's, DM6's, PM6's...on the wall and recently purchased directly from DYE. What does that tell you? If it tells you nothing, there isnt anything for you to realize. Youve already made up your mind.

The eye system on the X-mag in the breech was not great.

Totally agreed. In fact, I think most eye systems suck. They are just a band-aid to a bigger issue.

Let me just check into the AGD website... oh.. no not there.

My point precisely. Trust me when I say, if there was demand, there would be supply.

I apparently forgot all those E-mags that were shipped with version 1? that had multi-shot options.

Are you talking about old E-mags? So you want the old back??? Which is it? Wouldnt that just be re-packaging the old? C'mon, make up your mind!

[QUOTE=Lohman446]Mags are state of the art, cutting edge. The ONLY reason they are not more popular is marketing and stupid paintball players.

In many respects, this is probably the most accurate statement youve made. Its too bad you were being sarcastic.

There could never be anything better

Lets see.....shoots 300 fps....shoots as fast as one can pull the trigger.....doesnt have shoot down....doesnt chop.....is lightweight....

Whats supposed to be better? Oh, efficiency...thats right. Cuz it takes more than 1 ball to eliminate someone

[Lohman446]

My point precisely. Trust me when I say, if there was demand, there would be supply.:

So, let me get this right. Its now a lack of demand that killed the premiere AGD electro? The one that had a waiting list to buy while it was being produced?

[SummaryJudgement]

I like my mags.................. :)

[reflective]

You need to seriously reconsider your views of the 1911.

Count the companies that now manufacture them (Sig included)...and customize them. Look at all the accessories available.

Go to any centerfire pistol competition. No matter what the discipline, you will see 1911's in quantity. The 1911's popularity is a great as ever. Sorry, but trying to use 1911's as an example was a bad choice

What I was getting at, was that for a while the 1911 faded out of the mainstream, but now they are back because of how great they are.

Look at what rogue, tuna, luke, jay, pnuemagger, and others have been doing for automags. They are still the quality good ol' mag we all know and love, but we have more and more options everyday thanks to the many people designing new customizable accessories.

And I am with you Lohman446, I love glock, but I'd take a 1911 over any other pistol out there. Just like I'll take my minimag over any other marker out there.

[Lohman446]

You need to seriously reconsider your views of the 1911.

Count the companies that now manufacture them (Sig included)...and customize them. Look at all the accessories available.

Go to any centerfire pistol competition. No matter what the discipline, you will see 1911's in quantity. The 1911's popularity is a great as ever. Sorry, but trying to use 1911's as an example was a bad choice

You are right in competition, I was thinking the "everyday" household. Even my 1911 is given time off during the summer for one of those plastic guns . As long as I can own as many guns as I want I will always have a 1911. If I could only own one.. it probably would not be a 1911. If I kept more paintball guns than I do now one would undoubtedly be a mag. Owning the few I do now, unfortunately it is not the case.

[RogueFactor]

So, let me get this right. Its now a lack of demand that killed the premiere AGD electro? The one that had a waiting list to buy while it was being produced?

Werent we talking about the ACE? Or something else altogether?

[Lohman446]

The eye system on the X-mag in the breech was not great. Besides, say I want one now. Let me just check into the AGD website... oh.. no not there.

My point precisely. Trust me when I say, if there was demand, there would be supply.

Werent we talking about the ACE? Or something else altogether?

In regards to your supply and demand comment, we were talking about the X-mag.

[Arstron]

Guess your post got caught up in the arguing.

[LinearGoose]

wow AGD must be a one man operation. And running small runs to replace parts is a good thought. But really think about it. AGD is running out of stock and will soon be dead. Thats just my opinion. Even autococker is coming out with two new guns this month. AGD was one of my favorite companies when I started playing paintball. Now they act like they have run out of ideas and can't come up with something new. Yes the automag is a great gun and i'm not trying to say to reinvent a new gun but make the automag better. Look at wgp. The autococker is one gun that will be around longer than AGD because they are at least trying to compete with companies with ideas that actually put them into action!


the price increase is just AGD trying to make some more money before they decide to go cold turkey on the paintball community.

Me with a mag now
A year from now when AGD decides to go cold turkey:

but I sold my mag and got a Pm6 evil minion for 485 NIB. All I gotta say is cheers mate it was a good run of the automag.

mabey we could all put our money together and buy AGD and teach them something about innovation and design of the future