Is this crazy?

[tech-chan]

Neh, it was easier to go out and buy something else that fit what I wanted . And besides, as Rogue has pointed out TK has basically stated they are not going to make what I want, even if I handed them a fully functional prototype.

Fine then, Im working ona mechanical engineering degree and I have a lathe. Draw it up and I'll try to make a prototype and then we''l get them to do it.

[Lohman446]

Fine then, Im working ona mechanical engineering degree and I have a lathe. Draw it up and I'll try to make a prototype and then we''l get them to do it.

There a business plan that involves buying AGD in there somewhere? And paying off SP?

[tech-chan]

sure. cuede ta(spelling?).

[rkjunior303]

sure. cuede ta(spelling?).

coup d'etat.

[tech-chan]

Thank you.

[RogueFactor]

Pretty much. Despite that , Rogue is going to say what ever he wants as truth , even when he's wrong . He just re-spins his previous statements.

When you dont like the truth, it must be 'spin'

If I hadnt been saying this exact same thing 5 years ago, I might agree with you. The difference is, rather than complaining, I went and did something about it and learned from that experience. Experience gives you a whole different perspective, one you dont have. Your opinion alone and pretty words on the page just arent enough, regardless of the few that may agree with you.

But . . . what we all know is that doing nothing , limiting supply , raising prices (when they should be going down) and depending on like the one or two dealers left in the business to re-invent the same minimal product line over and over again is NOT the answer. Not to mention I shouldn't have to buy most of those parts in the aftermarket when the Manufacturer is suppling the aftermarket with the raw stock parts in the first place. All that product could and 'should' be offered by the manufacturer as stock product. I'm sure AGD could add a few cuts to a ULE body , another trigger style , screw on a nice feedneck , etc. It may not be "New" persay but at least it would be something until "New" happens. Thro us a bone.

Prices should be going down? I will let Greenspan and Bernanke know that your knowledge defeats the laws & principles of economics and inflation.

Youve got what you are asking for. Its available. Youve been thrown the bone. If the demand was overhwelming for the bone youve been thrown, AGD would have done it in mass. Mfr's use the aftermarket as their test. You are complaining to complain now.

Its easy to sit on the sidelines and tell us how youd do it when you have nothing at risk. When all other attempts have been made, and the only answer left is the one you are asserting. If it is just that simple, youre sitting on a pot of gold. Invest your money into your ideas of how to make it right, and make your millions. I will be waiting to see what you come up with, hope it isnt just a reinvention of the same minimal product line over and over again.

Have a good one.

[Desega]

Rogue wins. Having worked in a proshop for 4+ years, not much has changed in any marker styles, other than colors and a little milling here and there. Whatever you guys are complaining about is pointless, because there are tons of custom mag parts available, you just have to know where to look. Try the BST forum, you'll see.

[tech-chan]

I agree that rogue wins, however I am pushing for a revolution. Not an arguement. Im off to go work on my design now...

[Lohman446]

Rogue wins. Having worked in a proshop for 4+ years, not much has changed in any marker styles, other than colors and a little milling here and there. Whatever you guys are complaining about is pointless, because there are tons of custom mag parts available, you just have to know where to look. Try the BST forum, you'll see.

Cool. Wheres my factory supported break beam eye, ramping mag? I'm still lost how anyone is convinced the mag is cutting edge....

[rawbutter]

As people have said, the problem is that (for whatever reason) there is not enough demand for mags. The only way to get new products and lower prices is to create more demand.

My plan is to write an epic paintball screenplay and cast the mag as the "magic sword." Then I sell it, someone makes a movie, and kids everywhere start buying mags cause they saw it on the big screen... and it rocked!

Oh... and just in case you think I'm joking, I'm not. I already have one screenplay out there (not about paintball) looking for a buyer. If it sells, I've already decided that this paintball screenplay will be my next project.

[rkjunior303]

I agree that rogue wins, however I am pushing for a revolution. Not an arguement. Im off to go work on my design now...

you're going to be waiting a long time, my friend, for that revolution.

[bryceeden]

Cool. Wheres my factory supported break beam eye, ramping mag? I'm still lost how anyone is convinced the mag is cutting edge....

Why do you need an eye system when you have the level X? You still haven't answered that question. As for the ramping, get an x-moded e-mag.

[Lohman446]

Why do you need an eye system when you have the level X? You still haven't answered that question. As for the ramping, get an x-moded e-mag.

X-mod is not manufacturer supported, at all.

I want a proactive anti-chop system. I really don't like LX - A) its reactive rather than proactive B) I hate tuning it C) I have never used one that was good on even moderatly fragile paint.

And yeh I have answered the question before Just not in this thread

[pyrodragon]

i love AGD and their products. i like the fact that even though tom is retire, he still has say. it's not like he doesn't come on the forums. but you have to realize that a majority of the aftermarket "upgrades" are more so for personal touch. for all you worried about air, are you all paying all day air like i do? so what's the point? and when are you going to run through 1200 shots in one game less alone over 1200? if your so worry about cost of gun then why don't you even complainabout the cost of paint. i'll bet most people spend more on paint than ever on a gun. do you think it's right to pay $200+ for a pump?all in all if you a mag fan and a loyal fan at that it shouldn't matter what the cost are. if your worried about the cost of a marker then why don't you complain how fuel cost have tripled in the past decade? all in all the price of everything does one of two things: 1)reaches to the point of $0 without ever reaching $0 or 2) they steadily rise. for all of you that think AGD should come out with something "new", lets hear about your new ideas are and see you put it to action. stop standing on the sidelines. anyone can be a sideliner but people like rogue, jay, luke, tuna, etc. actually have been doing something about it instead of just jacking their jaws. it's easy to talk the talk but a lot hader to back it by walking the walk. peace

[zaqwert6]

When you dont like the truth, it must be 'spin'

Just cause you say it so , doesn't make it so.

Prices should be going down? I will let Greenspan and Bernanke know that your knowledge defeats the laws & principles of economics and inflation.

The average price of markers have been going down across the board for 5+ years now in addition to getting more bang for your buck.

Youve got what you are asking for. Its available. Youve been thrown the bone. If the demand was overhwelming for the bone youve been thrown, AGD would have done it in mass. Mfr's use the aftermarket as their test. You are complaining to complain now.

I'm not complaining at all , I stating wants and opinions. I guess your not understanding that people want these things from AGD , they want to see AGD make the effort to survive , and not just exclusively from some tiny single line internet dealer. But . . . I'm glad that your response is precisely what I said it would be. I understand your position , you have pretty much the whole AGD aftermarket tied up with little or no competition. As long as they have their head in the sand your in business. And there's nothing wrong with that.

Its easy to sit on the sidelines and tell us how youd do it when you have nothing at risk. When all other attempts have been made, and the only answer left is the one you are asserting.

I haven't really asserted any and obviously all other attempts have NOT been made. Seems pretty apparent that very few attemps have been made in lew of not taking any risk. That's been the stated position of AGD for years now. "Wait and see". That's what you do right before the kick the dirt in.

If it is just that simple, youre sitting on a pot of gold. Invest your money into your ideas of how to make it right, and make your millions. I will be waiting to see what you come up with, hope it isnt just a reinvention of the same minimal product line over and over again.

I take and have taken those risks in my own business and it has paid off very well for me. I went into semi-retirement by the age of 36. I spend most of my time on a golf course in the sun. Anytime you want race pinks for assets or portfolios let me know and I'll give Rich a call and have him set it up. But you better be sure to bring cash for cab fair.

Have a good one.

I'm having a great one , thanks.

I'm not really the overly concerned with it , paintball is just a hobby for me. I'd like to see AGD do something to make a comeback but if it doesn't happen it's not going to change the industry. It's just a shame to see something you've enjoyed for so long widdle down to nothing and go away. Like an old family pet pasing on . . . it's just sad , that's all.

I will tell you this . . . if I was going to invest in somewhere in Paintball , and I've considered it in the past , it would not likely be AGD with thier current attitude. I'd have to go with someone going after the market , not running from it. If AGD wants some one to take a risk with them and invest in the company , they're going to have to drop the whole wait and see nonsense and get thier butt in gear. If however , they are content (as it seems) to just coast on by until all the old inventory runs out then that's thier choice too.

That's not going to change the feeling of the people who are going to miss them when they are gone.