Get Your Slug Milled Here!!!

[zazzoo]

Id watch out guys. Dont get to interested or this guy will dissapear like he did before with his Emag slugs. There were a number of people interested and he never responded or anything.

He is right dont get to excited

[Draken]

Where are you in south west michigan? would like to come by and see your shop and products before I consider an unknown since you are close.

[SithSteve]

Hmmmm... lots of good questions/comments, and no response yet?!?!? Fishy

[ajnin]

Hmmmm... lots of good questions/comments, and no response yet?!?!? Fishy

personaly, if i was trying to get interest in a product, and was treated as above, i wouldnt reply. i would think most are just childish and not giving the man a chance. and he already stated the emag body thing was due to lack of interest or follow through from this community. seems like a lot of really great projects never come to completion because of either lack of funds or people saying they want the product, but dont want to pay for it.

how about someone just send the guy a design and see what happens. its not that hard if you know what your doing right?

[geekwarrior]

personaly, if i was trying to get interest in a product, and was treated as above, i wouldnt reply. i would think most are just childish and not giving the man a chance. and he already stated the emag body thing was due to lack of interest or follow through from this community. seems like a lot of really great projects never come to completion because of either lack of funds or people saying they want the product, but dont want to pay for it.

how about someone just send the guy a design and see what happens. its not that hard if you know what your doing right?

do you have $150 to gamble? go for it.

[robnix]

personaly, if i was trying to get interest in a product, and was treated as above, i wouldnt reply. i would think most are just childish and not giving the man a chance. and he already stated the emag body thing was due to lack of interest or follow through from this community. seems like a lot of really great projects never come to completion because of either lack of funds or people saying they want the product, but dont want to pay for it.

how about someone just send the guy a design and see what happens. its not that hard if you know what your doing right?

I just paid $190.00 for a slug body. I have cash in my paintball account that's sitting there specifically so I can get that slug and a rail milled. I think that most people that got in on the slug order do as well, considering how fast rails disappear from the B/S/T threads.

I'm simply not going to risk the cash, or the parts on someone that's an unknown quantity. Pics of work and reference or this whole thread is MOOT afaic.

[Warwitch]

how about someone just send the guy a design and see what happens. its not that hard if you know what your doing right?

we are talking about 3D milling. its not childs play. if the guy is really serious he should mill himself one (or more) so he has something to show everybody. Nobody is going to dish out $150 to have their slug be a guinea pig. Dont get me wrong, the guy might be Michaelangelo with a mill but I sure wouldnt want to be the first.

I really hope we do get to see this come to fruition though. Everybody loves custom!

[Russ]

personaly, if i was trying to get interest in a product, and was treated as above, i wouldnt reply. i would think most are just childish and not giving the man a chance. and he already stated the emag body thing was due to lack of interest or follow through from this community. seems like a lot of really great projects never come to completion because of either lack of funds or people saying they want the product, but dont want to pay for it.

how about someone just send the guy a design and see what happens. its not that hard if you know what your doing right?

Do you have any concept of what milling a mainbody entails?

Do you have any CAD-CAM experience? If you spend 20, 30 or more hours degining a body, working out the bugs, and making a functional, attractive body, would you be willing to give that knowledge away, free?

Have you been around here long enough to see deals fall though?

If you feel confident, send him YOUR sluggo.


A couple more things to ponder...

Xmagterror mentions a price of $150, and 4 hours cutting time, yet he doesn't have a working (design) program. How can you quote a price without even knowing what you're gonna cut?

[Warwitch]

Do you have any concept of what milling a mainbody entails?

Do you have any CAD-CAM experience? If you spend 20, 30 or more hours degining a body, working out the bugs, and making a functional, attractive body, would you be willing to give that knowledge away, free?

Have you been around here long enough to see deals fall though?

If you feel confident, send him YOUR sluggo.


A couple more things to ponder...

Xmagterror mentions a price of $150, and 4 hours cutting time, yet he doesn't have a working (design) program. How can you quote a price without even knowing what you're gonna cut?

CHURCH!!!

[Chaos_Theory!]

he already stated the emag body thing was due to lack of interest or follow through from this community.

The thing is he is either lying or doesnt know what hes talking about. There was a decent amount of interest but he NEVER replied to anyone. He actually didnt even post on the forums for a few month a little bits after the thread started. Then when he did post a few times he again NEVER checked in on his thread to make any responses at all. I also PMd him a number of times w/o any response.

Plain and simple this guy isnt to be taken seriously at all. As you can see people have valid questions and concerns which are met with no response.

[cyberave68]

personaly, if i was trying to get interest in a product, and was treated as above, i wouldnt reply. i would think most are just childish and not giving the man a chance. and he already stated the emag body thing was due to lack of interest or follow through from this community. seems like a lot of really great projects never come to completion because of either lack of funds or people saying they want the product, but dont want to pay for it.

how about someone just send the guy a design and see what happens. its not that hard if you know what your doing right?

HERE IS YOUR ANSWER...

Actually, you'll need to develop a program with your own software, then cut a slug or three, finish them up, post pics...then and ONLY then should you solicit work.

Call me cynical, but the paintball community has seen it's share of good-intensioned manufacturer's with deals that fell through. Still, "we" know little to nothing about you. Does your machine shop have a name & address? Website?

And my question is (Being a machinist) if you have the fixturing to do a slug, Why didnt you cut one? Also do you have a slug in hand that you created the fixturing with??? If you know how to run and set up the machine, you should know how to create a program. I have been asked to do plenty of things I havent done yet. I simply reply with I havent done one yet and need to get a few parts(With my own money) to prototype first before accepting that type of work. I wouldnt offer a service i havent done(perfected) yet... I have been on this forum for over 3 years and it took me over 2 of them to make a small name for myself. I also started small and worked my way up. Get some parts made and lets see what you can do. Less talk more action and pics...

My 2 cents.. (sorry if its not nice but you have to ask)

[ajnin]

everyone has very valid points, but this dude probably feels like a outcast now. i think its just a shame to push away those that may be able to do some good for us maggers.

if someone could suggest a good piece of software (free or cheap), i would put out a few designs for free. but a question to all those that may already have such designs, dont you have a extra one you dont really like? send it to this guy, let him use his own slug and see what comes out. he stated he needs a design. if its crap, then flame the hell out of him. but dont ruin his chances.

[cyberave68]

[Draken]

I agree 100%, thats why I simply asked about visiting his shop and seeing his setup, I'm sure if I really tried I could come up with a design, but not willing to let anyone mill it that I haven't seen ANY of their work, things cost $190, not throwing mine away...I have no clue on his quality of work, and none of us knows the quality of his work because he isn't showing us any of it.

[Xmagterror]

Sorry guys i have been working allot this week to get some things done.

all of you have some very valid questions about me....It just seams like you guys are all out to bash me and dont know why because im here to help you. I have been doing this side job machining gig for about 5 years now and have been doing allot of guns for aprox 4. I sold allot of camaro billet parts on ebay over the years. Done all kinds of custom intercoolers, twin turbo systems....
I have in house anodizing, CNC milling, and I do TIG welding...etc..

Heres whats going on currently in my shop........

1. I am making automag slugs now in my shop on the cnc mill. I just got that machine programmed to do it last weekend. I made 3 and i am now waiting on getting more material to make a dozen to sell on here or ebay. I will be using some for the body milling project to test things out. I will be selling them for $160. Planning on making atleast 24 in the next batch just depends on demand.

2. I will be working on 3D body milling designs this summer. I may hire someone to develop something new and fresh.


And for all of those that are asking do i have have what it takes to do all this stuff. And also how do i plan on staying in business if im only selling small batches of parts.

I went to college for machining and CAD/CAM.....I have been machining at a very high level for the last 10 years. I have very low overhead because my machine is paid for.

If someone wants to stop by and check it out sometime i welcome that....hell buy a slug or give me some custom work to do while your here. My shop is in Dowagiac, Michigan. I am about 6 miles north out of town.

and to answer the question how do i know what i can charge for milling a body....easy!!!!
Just do the math!!!!!LOL 60 IPM running .531 degrees stepover... Trust me guys i have been in the game for years, i know how to do this.

The best way to contact me is [email protected].