new ultraslick barrel idea?

[SLICEnDICE]

Barrels

According to a former DOD patent attorney the DOD has a patent on a barrel design like the one you are talking about. Food for thought.

[trevy38]

Yeah, you can shoot through breaks easier. But, it minimizes friction... I never get ball breaks in the barrel, and it always comes out straight.

[DaveK]

Super-sslick Barrel

"Rain-X" is not Teflon. It is an alcohol carrier mixed with two siloxanes (super small molecules that make up silicone oil).

Teflon stops food from sicking to cookware and keeps steam irons from sticking to cloth when ironing. The anti-stick properties come from filling the natural occuring porosity in metal surfaces . It is not really slippery until weight or pressure is applied to something rubbing against a Teflon-coated surface- the more pressure, the slipperier the Teflon surface becomes.. Because of the pressure required to make Teflon slippery, it does not provide any advangage as a barrel coating, and actually increases friction.

Years ago, a Canadian manufacturer made a barrel treatment that contained "Rain-X", and his product was sold under the name of "Laser Bore". I have tried his exact chemical recipe, and could not get any measurable results as far as velocity increase, but several old timers swear that "Laser Bore" did work and provided measurable velocity increase vs. untreated barrels.

[trevy38]

You tell me why Teflon (the slipperiest substance known to man) in the Tri-flo solution increases friction. Tri-flo, which contains Teflon, is a dry oil which is used specifically for these kinds of purposes.

[AGD]

Like the molecular facts going on here! I learned something!

AGD

[DaveK]

Slick Barrel Coatings

To trevy38-
I did not say that Tri-Flo would increase friction. Without the required pressure to make use of its slipperiness, a coating of pure Teflon in a barrel would increase friction for the passage of a paintball.

BTW- Teflon is only produced by E. I. DuPont Corp. and can only be applied to any surface by a licensed DuPont dealer. Others use the "Teflon" name illegally- what they actually apply to surfaces or mix in solutions is the generic polytetrafluoroethylene.

The "slipperiest substance known to man" only lives up to that phrase if it is properly applied and utilized. Teflon coatings on frying pans, irons, and industrial machine components are made of solid Teflon ground into powder and mixed with an epoxy binding agent (like glue). It is applied electrostatically to the surface to be coated, then baked at high temperature. This melts the epoxy binder, and when cooled, the binder "glues" the Teflon particles in place. Without the binder and heat, solutions containing Teflon or PTFE lose most of the desired effect. The Teflon in the gun barrel can't stick and is squeegeed out of the barrel with each shot of a paintball.

[Miscue]

Humm, does the 'K' in DaveK stand for Kermode?

[DaveK]

"DaveK" Post

To Miscue:
Click on my profile, then click on my URL to get your answer. Thanks for asking.
Dave

[Thordic]

Our list of celebrity members continues to grow

Welcome to AO, Dave.

[cphilip]

Ah you are a "slippery" rascal Dave! Pardon the pun.
Welcome to AO Mr. KC.

[DaveK]

Thanks for the welcome, Thordic and cphilip.
However, I have to reject being described as a "celebrity" and am surprised when people as far away (from me) as New Jersey and South Carolina even recognize my name. This is a very interesting group, and I only post here when my personal experience can help with a statement or qauestion. The audience is welcome to believe anything they please. Thanks again-
DaveK

[Chris TeamJoker]

Re: Super-sslick Barrel

Originally posted by DaveK
Years ago, a Canadian manufacturer made a barrel treatment that contained "Rain-X", and his product was sold under the name of "Laser Bore". I have tried his exact chemical recipe, and could not get any measurable results as far as velocity increase, but several old timers swear that "Laser Bore" did work and provided measurable velocity increase vs. untreated barrels.

Hehe...Good old Doug Devin. Had both "Laser Bore" and "Laser Lube". The lube was basically synthetic tranny fluid, as best I could determine, and I have used that for years on my markers.

The Laser Bore was a waste of money in my opinion. More hype than it was worth.

[DaveK]

Super Slick Barrel Coating

To Chris/Team Joker:
Hi Chris- Doug Devin now lives and works near my California location and I consider him to be a good friend. The sample of "Laser Bore" that I tried came from Doug's Canadian friend who originally made it (and still does).
Using a high-end Autococker with a plain and a ported barrle, shooting over a Radar Chrono, and using the original Canadian "Laser Bore", I could find no measurable velocity difference between treated and untreated barrels.
Doug believes that this stuff works, but you and I do not which doesn't change my opinion that Doug is both intelligent and honest.

[DJSOLID]

I use your oil, Mr. Kermode, and have had no disappointing results. As far as barrel treatments, I use Rain-x. I haven't noticed any performance increases, but it sure makes cleaning easy after a break. I normally break one or two balls in a case, and I just turn the marker over, dry fire a bit and it really is effective in dispelling excess paint quickly.

[Chris TeamJoker]

Re: Super Slick Barrel Coating

To DaveK:

I agree with your comments about Doug as well. He has always proven himself to be an honest man both on and off the field. Nice to meet you, and when you see Doug next, please extend a warm hello from myself and the rest of the "Constant Airheads".

Thanks.