The last problem in the automag valve

[The Creature]

before all you people that say 9 bps is more than you'll ever need jump all over my back allow me to explain further why i do not like the pull. i rarely need to go faster than 3 bps when tagging someone out, infact i usually go for 1 hit kills (just for fun), but whether ripping 9 bps or 3 the trigger pull is still just as heavy and i do not like it. whether i am shooting 1 or 9 bps i want a nice easy pull.

[FreshmanBob]

Buy a galactic Z on/off and shorten your trigger rod.

[The Creature]

why the on/off?

[FreshmanBob]

it lightens the pull and gives it a little bit of an RT return and by shorten i mean lengthen (lol). It's a beautiful thing with an intelliframe.

The key with the trigger rod is to get it to the length where the sear is on the bolt by very little (enough to catch it reliably and not let the gun go off on its own once an a while) and the on/off pin is close to sealing (not close enough to reduce recharge time)

This will allow you to shorten your trigger pull. The nice thing about the level 10 is you can do it with fewer worries because less pressure is on the sear (less wear).

[The Creature]

cool i'll give it a try

[kevdupuis]

I also introduced my on/off to the buffer in my garage. Burnt a couple of fingers, but that pin is a mirror now.

[FreshmanBob]

changing the length of your trigger rod does about the same thing.

[athomas]

Since we are looking for the effect of lowering the pressure required to pull the trigger, why not just add a spring of a known pressure.

The trigger pull required for a standard mag is about 4lbs. By adding a spring with a 2lb pressure to the trigger we would effectively have reduced the remaining pull to only two lbs.

I'm gonna try this and see if it makes a difference. I'll let you all know once I find a spring and get it installed.

[FordPrefect]

atom, that is a nice, simple idea that anybody can do.












I love simplicity, most times.

[Jimmi9999]

Electrician- i would like to see a diagram of how you did it or just a picture of yours. i want to do it to my mag but i don't know the setup of cocker pneumatics.
some one wanted a picture of the cocker mag. this one was done by punisher's customs.

[joeyjoe367]

Originally posted by joeyjoe367
instead of making the on/off easier to move by modifying it, why not some sort of on/off pin assist? it could be pneumatic, tuned by a small reg, or mechanical, ex a spring

...just trying to think outside of the box here.

omg ford! Didn't you read my post? I had that idea first!

[z-zero]

how about this....

What about an automag roller sear? A small ball bearing roller that catches the bolt lip, and a bearing that the sear rides on the sear pin? It would reduce friction between the bolt and sear and gives a smoother pull that would make it feel lighter. It can't be that hard.

z-zero

[joeyjoe367]

I think a roller-sear would really reduce a lot of friction between the bolt/sear, however, with the invent of lvl10, the sear isn't where all the force of the trigger is going.

It's the on/off. I do believe that a spring pulling the trigger rod witha slight bit of force would work, however only on RT Valves, since they have the air to help return the trigger. Classic valves would be slowed down because of the spring pulling the wrong way, and slowing the rate at which the trigger can return to the firing position.

Someone with a mill and an RT valved gun should try out the spring idea..

[z-zero]

Maybe I'm a noob, but how does the level 10 reduce the force on the sear when the system is in its ready to fire position? Is'nt it all closed and sealed? So does'nt the bolt still press againist the sear with the pressure from the volume chamber,on/off? Maybe I'm wrong, but I think I need this explained for me.

z-zero

[joeyjoe367]

Well, the stronger springs used push back on the bolt more than the standard springs, while the pressure in the dump chamber remains relativly the same.

The pressure that controls the on/off is higher tho, and that's why it's the "bottleneck" in the mag's trigger mechanism.

...if i'm mistaken, please, someone correct me