Improving the shocker.....

[nerobro]

As I see it, the shocker is closed bolt by choice. I took a good look at the shocker a few weeks ago and concluded it would have been a better gun being open bolt ;-)

if you attached a drive pin to the forward piston in the shocker, you could make that operate the bolt, instead of using a seperate solinoid and ram. That would at least save the air from moving the bolt.

now, if done right this would also shorten the distance from teh dump chamber to the bolt, that would also save the air that's wasted in route to the bolt. (course this sits under the heading of "my understanding" so it could be a little off)

So.. now we have a shocker tha'ts not wasting air or time moving the bolt sperately from the dump chamber poppet...

now what about efficancy. Now we have another "if my understanding is correct" Dump chambers are more efficant at higher pressure. such as the difference between a normal and a hypermag air valve. (this is the "real" hypermag instead of a mag with a hyperframe on it)

if we shrunk the size ofthe AIR chamber, we'd need to crank up the pressure the gun ran at.. that would kill any solinoid seeing that the shocker already runs above their rated limits.

so instead of using a jet of air to kick the poppet.. what about using a solinoid, emag like to kick the poppet? maybe... I'd also do something to make sure the back side of the dump chamber seals well.

[Miscue]

You can't just change a Shocker from closed bolt to open bolt! Well, not w/o consulting the marketing department first.

[Wat]

Can you make a high pressure mod for it while your at it?

Whoops, didn't fully read your post

[nerobro]

Originally posted by Miscue
You can't just change a Shocker from closed bolt to open bolt! Well, not w/o consulting the marketing department first.

Well i'm not even talking using the same body anymore... you'd need to do some funky linkages to hook the bolt to the poppet... :-)

though I find your comment cute ;-)

[nerobro]

Originally posted by Wat
Can you make a high pressure mod for it while your at it?

Whoops, didn't fully read your post

In theroy yes... I dunno if the seals would hold up though. And you'd need new solinoids throughout

[Tsunamip8ntphreak]

yes, I think this would work, but why are you even considering this, if you want an open bolt, low preassure gun thats made by smartparts than get an impulse.

[nerobro]

Maybe I wasn't clear.. but low pressure wasn't and isn't something I considder advenagous. I HATE smart parts.... with a passion even.

The shocker is an interesting design, I was trying to start a discussion on how it could be improved.

Linking the bolt to the poppet will save the air used to move the bolt. the gun used full chamber pressure to move the bolt, that's very inefficant. So you either need a LPR, or just remove that system entirely. removing the system entirely saves ALL the air from that. I feel that's the best solution.

It's an intrigueing blowforward design at that point. The poppet is ballanced against chamber air pressure. And the poppet is moved by a small jet of air applied to a sort of seccondary ram attached to it. :-) Kinda nifty..

[Tsunamip8ntphreak]

I understand, I also hate smart parts with a passion, but lets stop getting off the subject.

[nerobro]

got anything interesting to add to the discussion?

[nicad]

the poppet, as is, would not move far enough to properly chamber a ball. also air would start escaping through the 'valve' before the ball is chambered. if you changed it enought to make it work, you would end up with a two-tube stacked matrix. :)

Also, the bolt is currently driven by full gun pressure, but the surface area of the bolt's ram is divided way down to reduce the linear force applied to the bolt by the ram.. if I remember correctly, I think its only around 9 Lbs of force on the bolt @200psi -which is compairable to the air useage of a cocker's ram.

I have converted a shocker to a hammer driven poppet valve style.. was interesting. :)

[nerobro]

I think I said it before ;-) this won't work in the current body. You'd need to lengthing the poppet movement length.

I haven't felt the bolt outside the gun on my own, but to handle 200psi that thing has to be running tight/inefficant seals. I understand they made the ram very small in dia to compensatefor running at chamber pressure.... Then againg that links ram force and speed to velocity setting. Not a good thing.

And linking the bolt to the poppet would completely remove the need for an LPR, or the air needed to run a ram. ;-)

I need a freaking mill ;-)

[Cristobal]

Anyone know of a good animation of the shocker? I've been looking around for one that would help me visualize what goes on inside the gun but so far no luck.

[nerobro]

Sure, Courtesy of Hyper sport Works.

[Cristobal]

Hey thanks! I knew I'd seen one before, but hypersportworks site seems to have gone down.

EDIT: This is very odd, but the animation goes very slow until I right click on it and look at its properties -- at which point it speeds up... just a tip in case somebody else is staring at it wishing it went faster.

[OKJEFF4]

It's a promising idea, but I wouldn't recommend it. I would however, recommend contacting the owner of the now defunct Pneu-Ventures. He may be able to help you.